From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 10 19:38:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B030465A5E7 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GMgLm3mRBz4n28 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 19:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:37804] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id A3/3C-17915-E37F9E06; Sat, 10 Jul 2021 15:38:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Goodbye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: "Thomas D. Dean" Message-ID: <754716b0-f93e-1bb6-105e-5b55a23c2688@wavecable.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:38:35 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrtdekgddufeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhho X-Vade-Analysis-2: fhhilhgvmecuufgjpfetvefqtfdpgffogffttefnffdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtuden X-Vade-Analysis-3: ucenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpedfvfhhohhmrghs X-Vade-Analysis-4: ucffrdcuffgvrghnfdcuoehtohhmuggvrghnseifrghvvggtrggslhgvrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrght X-Vade-Analysis-5: thgvrhhnpeelhfdtgefgleelgffgieelieejfeeiveekuddvvdevleevteegffekteefveefieenucff X-Vade-Analysis-6: ohhmrghinhepkhgvrhhnvghlrdhorhhgnecukfhppedvgedruddufedrudegfedrudelvdenucevlhhu X-Vade-Analysis-7: shhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpedvgedruddufedrudegfedrudelvddphhgv X-Vade-Analysis-8: lhhopegludelvddrudeikedruddrudegfegnpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepthhomhguvggrnhesfigrvhgv X-Vade-Analysis-9: tggrsghlvgdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehfrhgvvggsshguqdhquhgvshhtihhonhhssehfrhgvvggs X-Vade-Analysis-10: shgurdhorhhgpdhhohhsthepshhmthhprdgvmhgvrhgrlhgurdgtmhhhrdhshihnrggtohhrrdgtohhm X-Vade-Analysis-11: pdhsphhfpehsohhfthhfrghilhdpughkihhmpedpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddptehuthhhqdgfshgv X-Vade-Analysis-12: rhepthhomhguvggrnh X-Vade-Client: EMERALD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GMgLm3mRBz4n28 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomdean@wavecable.com designates 208.47.184.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tomdean@wavecable.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.02 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:208.47.184.0/24]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[24.113.143.192:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:208.47.184.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[wavecable.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.952]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 19:38:41 -0000 On 7/10/21 12:05 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > BSD are general purpose (server, desktop, embedded) system for > advanced and aware users. Default installation won't do anything for > you except default base installation, nor the OS won't do anything > until you command it to do something. After FreeBSD install you only > get standardized base OS that you can then customize and adapt. But > when you do its rock solid. This is the strongest part of BSD. If you > don't like that philosophy probably it may not be the best OS for you, > or it's not the time yet. Sorry that you feel disappointed. It > requires some skills, knowledge, and persistence to learn new things. > Probably the error was on your side (it always is in my case I > shamefully admit). I have several workstations upgraded from 9.0 > release upwards with no problem for many many years. I write this > email from a machine that started at FreeBSD 10 and went up through > all minor releases up to 13.0. But it is you who is responsible for OS > management, understanding how things work, so they work as you want. > FreeBSD is "raw" OS, some people love it for that, some people prefer > Linux with easy "click and do it for me" approach, some people work > with Open-Source on Windows. I used FreeBSD from 0 up to 10. Then, moved to Linux for an application that was too difficult to port. Now, I have a problem with Linux. I can not stop it from accessing the net for various and sundry reasons. Sending things to kernel.org. Downloading updates. Checking and reporting to me the status of updates, etc. I have several hours in this. Maybe I should have put more effort into the port... So, I am back to FreeBSD 13. Tom Dean