From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jul 13 17:17:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43421533B for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (vex-e.isi.edu [128.9.160.240]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05545; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199907140017.RAA05545@boreas.isi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Replacement for grep(1) (part 2) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:16:46 PDT." <199907132316.QAA81828@apollo.backplane.com> X-Url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:17:18 -0700 From: Ted Faber Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Matthew Dillon wrote: >I said: >:So, Matt, I understand that you think that the folks who are want to >:turn off overcommit are looking to hang themselves, but how much does >:it cost to sell them the rope? > > I'm guessing that a simple implementation would be about an hour's > worth of work on the kernel: [...] > > But you would never be able to run normal system programs reliably > without also going through the entire utility source base and doing a > whole lot of rewriting. Standard programs such as > are not going to be happy when the limit is > hit and this will slowly cause system daemons to disappear from the > system and for programs to start dying in odd ways when you do anything > that brings the system close to an 'overcommitted' state. If it's a small hunk of work, maybe one of the folks who wants the overcommit turned off can do the work and get it committed or post patches. It would allow the arguments to be decided by experiment. It seems we're well past the point of convincing anyone verbally. I'm not going to do it because (1) I like my overcommitted system just fine, thanks and (2) I don't know the VM system well enough to walk in and change it. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 822-1511 x190 PGP Key: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBN4vXDYb4eisfQ5rpAQE8oAQAmVUZhXtDdils+lgxLCZsBKauA6VmPRTN pQjxc1IY5mslvzLq1yt9c+lT+4xplRs+bLWTK3k2IzvalZ6BzIB9pYT8bq2Rz+6h nBLQNkiQql1y0Ld8SrofJPIbbl2LQhLfT8T5PNz5PpqP4DD7z7p8JDJawnL0y1dq ws6YnHSJQ1A= =JcZA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message