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Stacey" , FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6F9556D47B X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 15:30:26 -0000 On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 7:44 AM Scott Long wrote: > > > > On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > >>> > >>> Stop. > >>> make[3]: stopped in /usr/src/usr.bin/mkesdb_static > >>> > >>> A double waste of CPU & human time & power in a hot office. > >>> Commit bits used to be suspended for un-buildable code. I'll boot > >>> stable. > >> > >> Since you seem to be so focused on mean-spirited criticism of others, > >> I'm sure you'll understand when I ask... > >> > >> Have you *seriosly* been using and building freebsd this long and you > >> don't know that an opt_*.h file is generated as part of the build and > >> exists only in the object directory, so that searching for it under > >> /usr/src or /usr/include would be... let's see, how did you put it?... > >> Oh yeah: A double waste of CPU & human time. > > > > Personal noise is irrelevant. > > > > Facts: > > Unchecked commits broken make buildworld twice, > > Time was wasted by bad commits. > > My time ran out. > > Current does not benefit from commits that break buildworld. > > I (like a friend before) must switch to stable to avoid breakage. > > > > Time was, ~25 years back, when FreeBSD commiters who screwed > > the build were awarded a conical hat & took a one week holiday. A > > mild rebuke for wasting people's time, & a short refreshing > > break to go smell fresh air. No not coffee, but fresh air. > > I=E2=80=99ve been following FreeBSD since 1992, before it was even called > FreeBSD, and I was reflecting on the =E2=80=9Cold days=E2=80=9D recently.= You know > what? The old days sucked; I hold no romance for them. There was > rampant passive-aggressive hostility, toxicity and shaming was > accepted and encouraged, and the community was pretty much an > insular and exclusionary clique. Mistakes were to be feared, not > learned from. Any mistake was equated with a personal moral failing. > Yeah, good technical work was done, but at the expense of quickly > alienating and driving away many good people who didn=E2=80=99t want to > put up with all of that bullshit. > > There=E2=80=99s no denying that it=E2=80=99s frustrating when a bug is in= troduced, > especially when it causes lost time and productivity. Passively > accusing people of being lazy or incompetent (see your =E2=80=9CUnchecked > commits=E2=80=9D comment) doesn=E2=80=99t help fix that though. If anyth= ing, it burns > out and drives away the people who are in the best position to fix the > problems. It doesn=E2=80=99t make the community or the code better in the > long term, even if you think that it=E2=80=99s motivating people in the s= hort > term. > > Please take your conical hat somewhere else and do something > productive and positive with it, I don=E2=80=99t want the toxicity in my > FreeBSD community anymore. > Amen. Warner Thanks, > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >