From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 27 03:12:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C6416A402 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E6B13C45D for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2R3CfDY068583; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:12:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l2R3Cefc068582; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:12:40 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: youshi10@u.washington.edu Message-ID: <20070327031239.GB74050@thought.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. 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X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade suggestion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:12:01 -0000 On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 05:58:28PM -0700, youshi10@u.washington.edu wrote: > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > > >On 26/03/07, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >>On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Folks, > >>> > >>> Last night it struck me that one reason I constantly find new > >>> ports to upgrade is that with ~17K ports, if you're running one > >>> of the more common desktop managers and several popular apps, > >>> there are going to be at least a dozen minor tweaks every day. > >> > >>Possibly, for a very busy program with multiple authors actively > >>making changes. Normally, projects accumulate such changes and only > >>release point version updates perhaps every month or so, and most > >>have updates available much less often than that. > >> > >>> E.g.:going from foo-1.6.7_2 to foo-1.6.7_3. > >> > >>Portrevision bumps commonly happen when an underlying dependency > >>changes; you generally don't get any changes to foo itself, unless > >>the program version itself changes. > >> > >>> I used to run > >>> port[upgrade|manager] twice/week. Was swamped; recently, > >>> upgrading things daily. Since a lot of the wm ports take > >>> > 24 hours to build/re-build, I'm pretty much wedged. Thus > >>> this suggestion (for all port/package upgrade suites): > >>> have a flag, say 'u' for "urgent" when *foo*" goes from > >>> foo-1.6.7 to -1.6.8 or else when/if foo makes a critical > >>> fix. > >> > >>There's an easier way: you can probably wait to rebuild ports until > >>you see something listed in portaudit's output, or you know you want > >>to update something being actively used to a specific known version > >>that you need. > >> > > > >Of course, Gentoo's portage system does all of this. > >Of course, Gentoo's portage system is a complete > >labyrinth of configuration files scattered over countless > >myriads (10^4) of subdirectories so that running a mixture > >of Holy-and-Blessed Versions and "testing" versions > >becomes a lovely game of tag combined with memory and > >$10,000 Pyramid, only fewer bleached-white teeth. I've run several distros of Linux. Ubuntu is (or *was*) my favorite; they're getting carried away. ....(IMHO). > > > >I think the addition of portaudit for such a huge (~17K ports!) > >collection (and a much less strenuous upgrade cycle) is an > >excellent idea. > > > >-- > >-- > > Gentoo is a pain, but it's the only thing I can really run ("stable"-y) on > my Core 2 Duo box right now (desktop). Not ready to go straight to -CURRENT > on a desktop, quite yet.. I'll give it 6.2-RELEASE shot in a week. > > But anyhow, I do really like ports more, for all of its quirks.. it truly > is a better (simpler) system to deal with, and as long as some of the stuff > under the hood gets fixed soon, the better. For tuning things to your server, compiler, just the way you want it, yes. I'm still building tests for g**-4.2, and will post something when I have anything solid. > > Oh, but you shouldn't really have to worry about upgrading stuff all the > time Gary. There's no point in upgrading packages daily -- I used to do > that in Gentoo and all it did was waste precious CPU cycles and reduce the > life of my hard disk. > > Upgrades once to twice a week do just fine for many systems (unless you're > purposely running LINT for the entire ports collection -- which doesn't > exist quite yet :)..). Lint?!! Good grief, I haven't touched that for years. My trying-to-keep-current started when I had 6.2 firmly on my backup DNS server. I figured it would be trivial to have _everything_ current ... and ran smack into the consequences of complexity theory. I'll chill out and use portaudit! thanks, guys, gary > > -Garrett > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix