From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 12:10:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE71A1065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leschnik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8F48FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so856451yen.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:10:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZBkn798vSpIct5USlMLHuoh95I37gO1qbZm/bw0WfVQ=; b=a8SQ9nKoGm739qwUO9xHKQRZi9dNXRcA67du5U3Ha3cYsoFWEJl4wE1CkxEqObmC7F SB1E65NN7bV0tenE1iDE5LwE7wTgpb5RZjqAp8TcWZKy4n0p8PBQ+f3EFFTwImZNLT/V tp21dsmoSGy4KAmGUb0R0T4FzHuanJbSKkIhbzu/tDU0qgFI1zQh3RzUM+q5STM2+27k StumeeinbroWUgjN1tEBE33PJgUPjr8HDQU8JAx87qw2V3MjoX0r2yDV2Im1U5aRWGQg 6PryTIZOdixB4+ahZlirdhMQ4JJv9bwkJmBoRFpU2HLk5jxrO2SgrgUAeTlm9R6vOCzn EcWw== Received: by 10.236.190.168 with SMTP id e28mr2003417yhn.57.1338466202126; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:10:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.17 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:09:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> From: Jason Leschnik Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:09:40 +1000 Message-ID: To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , Lars Engels Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:10:04 -0000 A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick... I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info: http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=3D79 Thanks. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels wrote: > >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> >>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sendin= g it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >>>> >>>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (whic= h advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd l= ike to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. =A0If y= ou had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would yo= u pick? =A0Are they the same as when you first started using it? >>>> >>>> David >>> >>> >>> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >>> >>> >>> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >>> - CARP >>> - relayd >>> - PF >>> - pfsync >>> >>> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >>> haproxy, db...): >>> - "hard" to use >>> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >>> debian's for example) >>> >>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >> >> But how often do you need to > > As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. > > We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is m= uch simpler and faster. > > There is also the performance aspect. > We get better performance on Haproxy and PGsql on Debian than on bsd.____= ___________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Regards, Jason Leschnik. [m] 0432 35 4224 [w@] jason dot leschnik ansto dot gov dot au [U@]=A0jml974@uow.edu.au