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Date:      Thu, 31 May 2012 22:09:40 +1000
From:      Jason Leschnik <leschnik@gmail.com>
To:        Damien Fleuriot <ml@my.gd>
Cc:        "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net>
Subject:   Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?
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A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick...

I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info:
http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=3D79

Thanks.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Damien Fleuriot <ml@my.gd> wrote:
> On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sendin=
g it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users.
>>>>
>>>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (whic=
h advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd l=
ike to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. =A0If y=
ou had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would yo=
u pick? =A0Are they the same as when you first started using it?
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls:
>>> - CARP
>>> - relayd
>>> - PF
>>> - pfsync
>>>
>>> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web,
>>> haproxy, db...):
>>> - "hard" to use
>>> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to
>>> debian's for example)
>>>
>>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot
>>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after
>>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports)
>>
>> But how often do you need to
>
> As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem.
>
> We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is m=
uch simpler and faster.
>
> There is also the performance aspect.
> We get better performance on Haproxy and PGsql on Debian than on bsd.____=
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Regards,
Jason Leschnik.

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