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From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:27:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSYPN1rWzz3v14 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=NaVPDLsX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:27:53 -0000 On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 20:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 17:07 +0000, Roderick wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Note, I forwarded this quote from Paul, a Claws developer... > > > > I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking > > > about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in claws-mail, > > > and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. > > > > There is some pressure from google. One must continuously enable > > "less secure apps", otherwise OAuth2 is the only alternative. > > ...and the Claws developer knows all this, but there's a lot of > confusion by users. > > The reason that I described how it works for Yahoo is, to explain users > (not the developer), that the passwords by the well known Claws settings > get replaced by passwords, that were generated by the Yahoo > Webinterface. Nothing does change when using Claws, just the password is > generated by Yahoo. There is nothing "two" things whatsoever. It's all > the same password usage as before, just that Yahoo generates the > password for each external mail client accessing a Yahoo account, as > described by > https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/learn-generate-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html > . Old passwords don't work anymore, there was the need to replace the > old passwords, by those new generated passwords. For Google it's > probably the same. PS: "Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your email app." This claim from Yahoo is confusing, since complete bogus. The password and the email address are used by the email client to access the Yahoo servers. Nobody of us needs to sign in with it to use our email clients.