From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 9 11:55:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637A416A405 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:55:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-0-0-cust107.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.104.168.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21AC43D46 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:55:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.61 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FSYVo-000C6M-3Y; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:55:24 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:55:23 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20060409115523.GB84768@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Scott Long , Brooks Davis , hackers@freebsd.org References: <20060407225742.GA21619@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <20060407230247.GH16344@submonkey.net> <4437C9F6.5000008@samsco.org> <20060408233740.GA84768@submonkey.net> <44384A55.2010103@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5I6of5zJg18YgZEa" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44384A55.2010103@samsco.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using any network interface whatsoever X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:55:33 -0000 --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > >On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 08:34:30AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > > >>>>On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:53:42PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > > >>>>>For the filesystem I can use geom_label and /dev/ufs/UnlikelyString,= =20 > >>>>>but I'd > >>>>>also like to have it try to configure whatever interfaces the machine > >>>>>happens to have via DHCP. > >>>>> > >>>>>Other than specifying ifconfig_0=3D"DHCP" once for every possibl= e=20 > >>>>>value of > >>>>>, is there a mechanism to do this already? > >>>> > >>>>ifconfig_DEFAULT > >> > >>Well, the real question is why we force the details of driver names ont= o=20 > >>users. Network and storage drivers are especially guilty of this, but > >>tty devices also are annoying. > > > > > >The current situation on BSD, where I can identify which interface is > >meant by its type, is definitely preferable to the Linux situation where > >eth0 may mean something different tomorrow depending on what is plugged > >in. > > > >Since we can rename devices arbitrarily, I don't really see a problem > >with respect to anything else. > > > >Ceri >=20 > I'll say again, how does having em0, em1, em2, and em3 help me know what > is going on with each of those interfaces? Well it doesn't, but there is no way for the OS vendor to determine what you're doing. You're more than able to rename them to dmz0, world0 or whatever in order to reflect their real usage if you like. Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEOPYrocfcwTS3JF8RAto/AJ0aCspiu0sBZk5//NSBYR4QOv3Y8QCgjXTS wJrN/xPF6lKT/t0n9/d+Wx4= =Q/kI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa--