From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 19 17:51:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9848B57CC33 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2BJk62Jhz3MhG for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:51:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:50:58 -0700 Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <20210319133843.000045a9@seibercom.net> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:50:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210319133843.000045a9@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2BJk62Jhz3MhG X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:51:03 -0000 On 3/19/21 10:38 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:13:57 -0700, David Christensen stated: >> On 3/19/21 7:10 AM, Jerry wrote: >>> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of >>> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD’s >>> unfortunate inability to squash bug >>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left >>> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system >>> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other >>> utilities. >> >> >> Looking at that link, I see: >> >> ... >> Gerard Seibert 2021-02-25 21:01:04 UTC >> ... >> # dmidecode 3.3 >> ... >> Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes >> System Information >> Manufacturer: Dell Inc. >> Product Name: XPS 8930 >> Version: 1.1.15 >> Serial Number: 19WS903 >> UUID: 4c4c4544-0039-5710-8053-b1c04f393033 >> Wake-up Type: Power Switch >> SKU Number: 0859 >> Family: XPS >> >> >> Dell says: >> >> >> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/xps-desktop/spd/xps-8930-desktop >> >> Operating system >> >> With Windows 10 Home >> >> >> So, Windows 10 Home is the only operating system supported by Dell on >> that computer. Windows 10 Home should not exhibit the bug you have >> encountered. >> >> >> Check if your software is supported on Windows 10 Home. If so, >> install Windows 10 Home and install your software. >> >> >> Alternatively, get another computer that is known to be compatible >> with your OS and software of choice. >> >> >> I am running 12.2-RELEASE-p4 GENERIC amd64 without any problems on: >> >> * Dell PowerEdge T30 with Intel Xeon E3-1225 v5 >> >> * Intel S1200V3RPL with Intel Xeon E3-1225 v3 >> >> >> David > > You are incorrectly interpreting the data. Windows 10 Home is the base > system. It also comes with Windows 10 Pro as an upgrade. Blame Dell, not me. > I have used > both and FreeBSD 10 & 11 successfully on this unit. > I will acknowledge that it was a fairly cheap system. I only needed it > for a mail server and a few other odds and ends. You got lucky. > The problem is with FreeBSD's code change between versions 11 and 12. > The fact that I am not the only one bitten by this bug, and the > inability of FreeBSD to correct it, and it has been over a year, is > certainly not encouraging. That is a consequence of closed hardware, not open software. > If I had purchased a > top of the line, cutting edge system then I would certainly not have > expected FreeBSD to support it. That is one of the reasons I didn't. And you would be running an OS with paid support and a SLA. David