From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 17:34:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3D0106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:34:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier@gid0.org) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEA08FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so15156691lbo.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:34:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=jlf4dPIidioVx3+me2uN1ziCRehhApMROX5jlRIr1H4=; b=mP6XIyAvChKfsrX0qfHWY0WWuqTDheH/48uwcpZg5yajDCzbyDOkAsHwoC0CVTvlI/ H5okL58vjGNe1Gv+ZplGMk7rG0AtSkXS2jEBclQUzo65i3G2YxcgLG8c1wteKXDv2xbv ma7TZ7gnhoRalVONJowDDynzVqI/5eEn8UGG6q9AMLc4YUUB06S0TQ60BW8HgIaIsz5Z Vc4RPHWeUZkJiquAGuJDZZEjrp910AYVFMLKD8qq28FWz3OftzKjY4rB+sAXmNqeckLG WHju/Lnvu7nhW98L47EqMVqvOE+04UeARJ5kTrwaIf6znO38bj5SG6J8StLWK+2vk85m L62g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.84.168 with SMTP id a8mr12240803lbz.92.1341509678311; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.100.68 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:34:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4FF5BF27.2030609@my.gd> <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:34:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: Olivier Smedts To: Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk8tTb5DxlZ6kQ8nbG1tNId+vZaeteLTNia1VW3NbBG8lh8mxugdCqMz0FBSMtuN0zRB6V8 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:34:40 -0000 2012/7/5 Warner Losh : > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it stupid, and just >> because it comes from linux doesn't make it bad. > > Both true. However, if the database lookups took a long time, or had a high overhead to maintain, then it would be stupid to have on by default. Yes. And that's why I disagree for turning this kind of feature on by default. I "feel" when I'm under an Ubuntu (or other desktop-centric distro) shell because of the delay after trying to execute, for examble, a mis-typed command. Sometimes it takes so much time to respond that I think the command was good, and go drink a coffee. Only to find out that no, it was just bloatware running. FreeBSD is so responsive as it is. I posted "time" results in another thread, and an Ubuntu Server took half a second to respond "command not found" at the first try, and it was a multi-GHz multi-core class CPU with multi-GB of RAM and multi-hard drive on a RAID. A not so old laptop I have takes ages to lookup that database ! Wouldn't PC-BSD be a better place for that ? -- Olivier Smedts _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) e-mail: olivier@gid0.org - against HTML email & vCards X www: http://www.gid0.org - against proprietary attachments / \ "Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : ceux qui comprennent le binaire, et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas."