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From: "John S. Dyson" <toor@dyson.iquest.net>
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Subject: Re: Win32 (was:Re: Go SCSI! Big improvement...)
To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 09:27:04 +0000 ()
Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, kelly@yarmouth,
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In-Reply-To: <Pine.AUX.3.91.960226164659.108B-100000@covina.lightside.com> from "Jake Hamby" at Feb 26, 96 04:58:46 pm
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> On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote:
> 
> > OK, these may be my opinions but I think others my come to similar
> > conclusions.  Tcl/Tk isn't something that knocks you off your socks,
> > same is Motif.  I played with tkWM - pleppedeplepp. Where is an IDE
> > (Integrated development environment)? I doubt that Tcl/Tk
> > would develop as the incending force to produce myriads of applications
> > in a manner Win32 does. Spend a day with a Win32/MSVC++ programmer.
> > You would want to have this under Unix.
> > 
> > -provoke mode off :-)
> 
> I agree 100%!!  Once I started using Win32/MFC/VC++ I really started to 
> feel disappointed in the traditional Unix programming tools, including 
> Motif.
Just rambling from a kernel person:

DITTO!!! I have unfortunately involved in flamewar-age :-), complaining
about the limited development tools that the U**X community appears
to be happy with.  Lets face it, the current development tool suite is
GREAT for os code and text utilities, but we need better tools to develop
fancy GUI applications for the windows-ites :-).  I would applaud the
development of FREE (I mean really FREE) tools for efficient GUI program
development.  It would be important that the code generated by such tools be
non-(re)distribution encumbered!!!

I would be so happy if my OS/KERNEL work would be enhanced by better
and more applications develoment tools...  I would even perhaps be
enticed to write application code (watch out!!!)

John