From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 10 13:47:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29078 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29073 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09567; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:27:20 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199704102027.NAA09567@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: on the subject of changes to -RELEASEs... To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:27:20 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199704100339.NAA29834@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Apr 10, 97 01:09:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > If you are taking your 2.2.1 sources and patching them to -STABLE, > > > you upgrade /etc/ like anyone else with source does. > > > > Contestant #1: That would be "By hand" for an hour, Bob... > > Bob: Ab-So-LUTE-Ly Right! > > Ah, about five minutes. Especially if you're the neat sort that makes > notes. Don't add assumtions. Most FreeBSD installers are the messy types who install directly off the CDROM (or the net), and take the defaults, to start with. Then they hack the configuration (and sometimes the kernel) to get around whatever FreeBSD shortcomings interfere with their intended use. > > Is this true? It's not how I remember it... are you saying that if > > I modified init for rc.d style operation and run states, that the > > change in operation would be acceptable for integration? > > If you were to do it in such a fashion that it was optional, ie. > people who actually liked the way that BSD does it now could still > have that, then yes, I believe it would. (Stuffs rabid anti-sysv-ists > into sack, adds rocks, pushes into canal.) Well, I believe patches were supplied before by someone else. If I can't find them anywhere, I'll recreate them (or get them from one of the other BSD's?) and we'll see... > > > You are detracting from a practically achievable solution by claiming to > > > advocate a solution that is not workable within the current constraints. > > > > So modify the constraints. 8-). > > Give me the money. Wire my eyes open. You get the picture 8) I happen to like Beethoven's 9th... 8-). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.