From nobody Wed Jun 12 19:07:44 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Vzw6M4Q1pz5NGxY for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 19:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Vzw6M1SJwz54hJ for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 19:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 45CJ7j88081199; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1718219271; x=1718219871; r=y; bh=3pHSYYXohB1vwxoTCTbSh2DfEaUHVHt7ydHpOqp3m/c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=mvUCCBSD+vetRgiNVcwRRlcvv0Zc+pZU/6fYRQL2BjtkZab4oBNodyTrhkIXj7rPB WmQO2L9fbp04iwzfPsPrXRYCbldIB6YpR8yk/ArL+0SgcLecZ0ouClJ8WiTn8e8Czt zOhV+RxQbA+eeLsN7Y8Ir1X20EDGZnmpejdEIRyElWGwA0X5tyF7nFk7hn3zJWlisV oQdlbKHZOteLFKojIMCDKASCmw4FTF8uS6LxUhZy0yJsuW2e/DmivzsXpO+Jr8fmvS bKo308I/EKQwAS+SgA0XbuDYJZVT684kCw1izXH2RRIYe0l91LJveON8Y+QchQ0b0i SfjLW/sSjKJoQ== List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:07:44 -0700 From: Chris To: Mark Delany Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Removing "CMOS clock set to UTC" question In-Reply-To: <0.2.0-final-1718212027.814-0x75c1f0@qmda.emu.st> References: <0.2.0-final-1718212027.814-0x75c1f0@qmda.emu.st> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <26eaa45fec5b95b6a00948d45aaea927@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Vzw6M1SJwz54hJ On 2024-06-12 10:07, Mark Delany wrote: > On 12Jun24, Ed Maste apparently wrote: >> Our installer asks (via tzsetup): >> >> > Is this machine's CMOS clock set to UTC? If it is set to local time, >> > or you don't know, please choose NO here! >> >> I've heard many reports of new users being confused by this question > > And experienced users too! > > I've been installing FBSD and various other OSes for decades and whenever I > see that > question invariable: > > a) I have no clue as to what the machine's CMOS clock is set to in the > first instance > > b) I do not want the hassle of stopping the install to gain access to some > obscure BIOS > screen that might or might not give me the answer. > > c) I have no clue as to the implications of answering this question one > way or the > other. > > d) I don't know whether it's a good idea or not to change the CMOS clock > to UTC if it's > not the case. Is it? > > e) I don't think I've ever seen a similar question asked by any other OS > install. > > At the very least the message should indicate what happens if you get the > answer > wrong. Does the system fail to install, does the clock run backwards, will > my dog stop > barking? What? "If you are unsure, or don't know the answer here. Select NO" Seems intuitive enough. IOW no harm done here, if you choose NO (selects localtime). :) Personally, I don't have a strong BIAS here, except that it's always been this way, and I don't have to remember to set it post installation. So it seems "convenient". > > > Mark. --Chris