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Message-ID: <20210715133149.44004414@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQXJz1k3sz4mbP X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=RbnQnHfP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.61)[0.611]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:32:03 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:23:06 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >if [...] you can shape it as you like, no need to complain, just make >it happen [...] all others packages will have dependencies met and you >will not have pulseaudio running, huh? :-) I'm not complaining, I dislike steps into wrong directions. 1. I will not get in contact with pulseaudio upstream and argue related to anything. 2. I build dummy packages nearly a decade ago, when it was introduced to Linux and never suffered from pulseaudio. For the OP doing something like this is seemingly what I called a "dirty hack", for me it's a clean workaround. 3. For almost everything pro-audio related I anyway migrated from Linux to Apple and I don't care much about desktop audio. The migration happened, because the advantages of FLOSS in some domains make way for the same disadvantages, that we experiences with software for proprietary operating systems, but without providing the advantages of those proprietary operating systems. 4. Likely the near future for Linux audio will be PipeWire or something similar. The toy pulseaudio, but even the pro-audio sound server jack likely will become obsolete for several reasons. It probably will have some impact on FreeBSD, too.