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Date:      Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:39:49 -0700
From:      Colin Percival <cperciva@wadham.ox.ac.uk>
To:        Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@linux.gr>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: compare-by-hash (was Re: sharing /etc/passwd)
Message-ID:  <41593165.10406@wadham.ox.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <20040928091405.GB1800@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111071900280.24824-100000@moroni.pp.asu.edu> <20011107211316.A7830@nomad.lets.net> <20040925140242.GB78219@gothmog.gr> <41575DFC.9020206@wadham.ox.ac.uk> <20040927091710.GC914@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <20040927095906.I79820@walter> <20040928091405.GB1800@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv>

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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> There is one difference between ``looking for collisions'' and being
> bitten by undetected collisions though.

True.  But if the best known collision-finding algorithm takes f(p) operations 
in order to achieve a probability p of having found a collision, and you've 
performed less than f(p) operations, then either the chance of you being bitten 
by an undetected collision is less than p, or you've managed to improve upon the 
best-known collision-finding algorithm.

For f(p) = 2^80 * sqrt(p), none of us are ever going to perform enough 
operations to make the chance of stumbling across a collision by accident a 
significant risk.

Colin Percival



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