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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ac4632b3b322cbdf183981007e63c3da; Sat, 27 Sep 2025 04:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: ampere2 and 15.0-PRERELEASE with pkg 2.2.2 for main-arm64 and main-armv7 : the last build is almost done [15stable-arm64 is building on ampere2] From: Mark Millard X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <3BDA08A0-F73D-4B7A-95FD-303AAC5FBBB5@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2025 21:33:56 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2037391737.2952.1758873664938@localhost> <3BDA08A0-F73D-4B7A-95FD-303AAC5FBBB5@yahoo.com> To: Ronald Klop X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cYZNM6qy8z40vg On Sep 26, 2025, at 07:51, Mark Millard wrote: > On Sep 26, 2025, at 01:01, Ronald Klop wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> Does anybody know on what machine the new 15arm64 builds will be = running? As that will give another long running build on these machines = which are already under pressure. I really hope there will be a new = machine available for this. See: = https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=3D15stable-ar= m64-default&build=3D53919f5dd30e It is 15stable-arm64-default (arm64 latest's port packages) being built on ampere2 . Looks like builds of main-arm64 and main-armv7 port-packages are canceled for now. (The 15.0-RELELASE process likely can not afford to wait for either of the others to be in a cycle that would force long periods between 15.0-* builds.) (But it trades off doing the type of testing that building port-packages for main involves.) > Tier 1 requires (quoting): >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Official binary packages for third party software will be > provided by the ports team. For embedded architectures, these > packages may be cross-built from a different architecture. >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Dedicated hardware in one of the FreeBSD clusters for > package building (either natively or via qemu-user). >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Developers should be able to build packages on commonly > available, non-embedded Tier 1 systems. This can mean either > native builds if non-embedded systems are commonly available > for the platform in question, or it can mean cross-builds=20 > hosted on some other Tier 1 architecture. >=20 >=20 > Tier 2 does not. But (quoting): >=20 > =E2=80=A2 The ports infrastructure should include basic support > for Tier 2 architectures sufficient to support building ports > and packages. This includes support for basic packages such > as ports-mgmt/pkg, but there is no guarantee that arbitrary > ports will be buildable or functional. >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Tier 2 platforms should be self-hosting either via the > in-tree toolchain or an external toolchain. If an external > toolchain is required, official binary packages for an external > toolchain will be provided. >=20 >=20 > So: no claim of Official binary packages for general 3rd party > software. >=20 >=20 > armv7 is Tier 2 for All Supported Platforms (13.*, 14.*, and > upcoming 15.*). Technically FreeBSD could choose to not do as > many types (or any types) of armv7 builds for a time. Or they > could go back to trying to use qemu on amd64 for targeting armv7 > for a time for at least some types of builds. (As I remember, > the qemu armv6 builds were only able to build a few thousand > ports towards the end of the armv6 official builds time frame.) > Or adding new builder machines. Or just adding to the work load > on the existing builder machines, still doing some or all of > the armv7 builds. >=20 > It will be interesting to see what is done. >=20 > Mark >=20 >> Regards, >> Ronald. >>=20 >> Van: Mark Millard >> Datum: vrijdag, 26 september 2025 07:48 >> Aan: FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org >> Onderwerp: ampere2 and 15.0-PRERELEASE with pkg 2.2.2 for main-arm64 = and main-armv7 : the last build is almost done (It is a main-armv7 = build) >> The port-package builds are done and ampere2 is doing the >> "clean_restricted:" and "pkgrepo:" sorts of final stages >> before distribution servers around the world are updated. >>=20 >> The next build by ampere2 should be based on pkg 2.3.1 >> (or later) and take less time, even if the number of >> port-package builds is the same. >>=20 >> Hopefully the jail worlds will be updated to 160000+ >> based before the next build starts. >>=20 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com