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Date:      Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:09:20 -0600 (MDT)
From:      Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>
To:        Da Rock <freebsd-x11@herveybayaustralia.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-x11@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Xorg, Radeon and KMS problems
Message-ID:  <alpine.BSF.2.11.1407271759520.39031@wonkity.com>
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Da Rock wrote:

> On 07/28/14 05:17, Warren Block wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Da Rock wrote:
>> 
>>>> Setting "AutoAddDevices" to "off" is probably sufficient. And you only
>>>> need to rebuild xorg-server AFAIK.
>>> I'll give the conf option a shot. Takes a little while on my system to 
>>> build, and its building some big stuff atm like thunderbird and 
>>> libreoffice, so next day is latest I'd get it going.
>> 
>> It is not even necessary to rebuild xorg-server.  Just setting 
>> "AutoAddDevices" "Off" prevents it from using HAL.  Rebuilding it with the 
>> port options set to not use HAL removes that dependency. If you use xfce, 
>> HAL can be removed entirely.  KDE and Gnome still depend on it, even when 
>> xorg-server does not.
> I see. Trying that now...
>
> What about lxde? Seems to be the lightest, most user friendly; and I have 
> rather illiterate users here.

It reminded me of Windows 98 when I tried it.  Depending on your use, 
that might be a benefit.

>>>> Check if it is possible to disable one of the graphics chips in the BIOS.
>>>> That could be a last resort fix. AFAIK Xorg doen not have proper support 
>>>> for
>>>> using two graphics cards or switching beteen them.
>>> Not that I'm aware of - HP take away a lot of fine tweaking options in 
>>> bios for some stupid reason, and I went looking last time I was playing 
>>> with the dual card setup and HD. I'll have another peek though.

A lot of notebooks do not really have two discrete graphics cards.  The 
Optimus setup is the standard Intel video along with an extra Nvidia GPU 
that can be used along with the Intel video for faster graphics at the 
cost of power usage.

>>> Who's looking at the support for multiple cards in Xorg then? Is there a 
>>> wiki/blog or such I can follow, help out with?
>> 
>> It might work.  Fewer people use it now, since even low-end graphics cards 
>> have two or three outputs.  This is something I've been meaning to test, 
>> and I have one or two machines available for that.  I'll report back.

> I have plenty - multiple outputs, multiple cards with multiple outputs, 
> multiple cards sharing multiple outputs. Give me a test, and I can run it 
> with the results you want returned.

The first test I ran today showed the same type of problems Linux users 
report.  xrandr only shows the first video card.



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