From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:39:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECB41065681; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@pingle.org) Received: from willow.pingle.org (willow.pingle.org [68.76.213.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1528FC15; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@pingle.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by willow.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5267C11458; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pingle.org Received: from willow.pingle.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (willow.pingle.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z-4nLGEL5eSn; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hpcw.hpcisp.com [68.76.213.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jim) by willow.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8ED9811455; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:22:30 -0400 From: Jim Pingle User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wesley Shields References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> In-Reply-To: <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:39:25 -0000 Wesley Shields wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, which may be >> the way to go. >> >> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are net-centric (like >> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports >> databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful >> (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need the net to be >> useful. > > No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to install > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is still > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. Could this not also be resolved another way? Most desktops these days have DVD drives. If someone wants a bootable desktop-targeted release with X, Firefox and such, why not make that a DVD instead of trying to shoehorn all of this into a CD? Most of the older machines with aging CD-ROM drives or without a DVD drive may not have the horsepower to run a live CD with X anyhow. My servers only have CD-ROM drives, but then again they wouldn't be using a desktop-oriented live CD with X either. :-) Sure, the download would be (much?) larger, but you would have a lot more room to work with. The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years. Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup mirror, then use an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The packages on CD are out of date practically from the moment they are placed there, so I rarely use them. The only package I regularly used was cvsup-without-gui, which has been replaced by csup in the base system. Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much like FreeSBIE and PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare apples to apples, you might investigate those choices a little closer. Jim