From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 14 15:11:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE6937B401; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amsfep15-int.chello.nl (amsfep15-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BFD43FDF; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from internal ([213.46.141.159]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030814221150.EZBS23618.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@internal>; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:11:50 +0200 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "'twig les'" , "'Robert Watson'" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:11:45 +0200 Organization: SiteTronics Message-ID: <001701c362b1$0d087f60$9f8d2ed5@internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20030814220740.28924.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - jumping to -advocacy X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:11:53 -0000 Well, I don't find configuring FreeBSD inherently esoteric. The = filesystem structure ensures that configuration files are in the right places. And = when you don't know where they are, it's relatively easy to find them: look = where they're expected. I find that with Linux, you have to look in the refrigerator to find your car keys, so to speak. find / | grep carkeys doesn't even work half the time. The only thing I'd like to see happen here is that FreeBSD becomes as advocated as RedHat -- no changes to the underlying system. It just = needs to be more widely accepted. I'm tired of the unbased criticisms I have to = face when discussing BSD. 99% of it is total BS, and something needs to = happen about it. --Devon > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: twig les [mailto:twigles@yahoo.com] > Verzonden: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:08 AM > Aan: Devon H. O'Dell; 'Robert Watson' > CC: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Onderwerp: RE: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - jumping to = - > advocacy >=20 > Cool, I don't need to own the domain. I just think that right > now the state of things is that FreeBSD is the best-kept secret > around because Linux is taking market share from everyone - > hell, my *dad* knows about Linux and he's one of those users > from "Evil Geniuses". There is a nice article in businessweek > talking about Sun's dilemna here: > = http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2003/tc20030812_9215_= t > c055.htm. >=20 > A lot of people ask me why I use (or suggest) FreeBSD instead of > Linux and I tell them that I only use or recommend FreeBSD when > I need something to be fast, secure and/or stable. :) The idea > is that the underlying engineering is done, now we need to push > it to da' masses. >=20 > I also agree with mhoskins, I don't want FreeBSD to turn into > RH; RH seems to be trying to replace the knowledgable admin with > GUIs and "help" files.