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Date:      Tue, 28 Jan 97 09:16:53 Pacific Standard Time
From:      "Sean J. Schluntz"  <schluntz@pinpt.com>
To:        "Sean J. Schluntz"  <schluntz@pinpt.com>, Marc van Kempen  <marc@bowtie.nl>
Cc:        config@freebsd.org, Warner Losh  <imp@village.org>
Subject:   Re: Commerical applications 
Message-ID:  <Chameleon.854472069.List@journeyman>
References:  <199701270952.KAA25722@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> 

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> > > : However, we still suffer from a bad case of "tools gap", where there
> > > : is really no reasonable framework for allowing the UI people to easily
> > > : practice their craft.  Since we can't count on an X server being
> > > : present (either due to configuration hassles, non-support for a given
> > > : card or other hardware issues), 
> > > 
> > > The SVGA or VGA drivers will run on almost all hardware.  Maybe not
> > > optimally, or at 1600x1200, but the X server can be made to run in
> > > that small a footprint.
> > 
> > "on almost all hardware".  It won't work on my Firewall or on my 
mailserver.  
> > Neither have a monitor that can handle anything but text or CGA (Maybe).
> > 
> 
> I'm sorry to drop in late, but I was gone last week.

No worries!


> Aren't we talking about offering a nice sysinstall program for the
> *not* so advanced users. Wouldn't it be so that people that want to
> install FreeBSD on machines with obscure monochrome adapters or
> serial consoles already know enough about installing/configuring
> FreeBSD that they don't care about such a config utility.
> They could propably do with a very much trimmed down version
> of the install program that would just get the system installed.

There are exceptions to everything.  I was introduced to BSDLite (I think, BSD 
something.) v0.0 as an alternative to Minix some years ago when I took an 
intro course to Unix at my school (I wanted to be able to administer, and the 
Netcom shell account wouldn't let me ;(

Not wanting to tie up my main system I threw together a 386 with some ram and 
a monochrome card and monitor (Because, Unix is text based right?).  I think 
there will still be people doing that now.  I have a friend who used to piece 
together computers for people who couldn't afford to get them, and he wanted 
to put a Unix on the ones that people wanted to learn on.

-Sean

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Sean J. Schluntz                                  <schluntz@pinpt.com>
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Local Time Sent: 01/28/97 09:16:54
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