From owner-freebsd-config Tue Jan 28 09:21:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24975 for config-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24966 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA20180; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:20:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 09:16:53 Pacific Standard Time From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: Commerical applications To: "Sean J. Schluntz" , Marc van Kempen Cc: config@freebsd.org, Warner Losh X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199701270952.KAA25722@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-config@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > : However, we still suffer from a bad case of "tools gap", where there > > > : is really no reasonable framework for allowing the UI people to easily > > > : practice their craft. Since we can't count on an X server being > > > : present (either due to configuration hassles, non-support for a given > > > : card or other hardware issues), > > > > > > The SVGA or VGA drivers will run on almost all hardware. Maybe not > > > optimally, or at 1600x1200, but the X server can be made to run in > > > that small a footprint. > > > > "on almost all hardware". It won't work on my Firewall or on my mailserver. > > Neither have a monitor that can handle anything but text or CGA (Maybe). > > > > I'm sorry to drop in late, but I was gone last week. No worries! > Aren't we talking about offering a nice sysinstall program for the > *not* so advanced users. Wouldn't it be so that people that want to > install FreeBSD on machines with obscure monochrome adapters or > serial consoles already know enough about installing/configuring > FreeBSD that they don't care about such a config utility. > They could propably do with a very much trimmed down version > of the install program that would just get the system installed. There are exceptions to everything. I was introduced to BSDLite (I think, BSD something.) v0.0 as an alternative to Minix some years ago when I took an intro course to Unix at my school (I wanted to be able to administer, and the Netcom shell account wouldn't let me ;( Not wanting to tie up my main system I threw together a 386 with some ram and a monochrome card and monitor (Because, Unix is text based right?). I think there will still be people doing that now. I have a friend who used to piece together computers for people who couldn't afford to get them, and he wanted to put a Unix on the ones that people wanted to learn on. -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 01/28/97 09:16:54 ----------------------------------------------------------------------