From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 17:34:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AC2106566B for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0538FC14 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so3648532eek.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=yqrf6UOmgzlGZDgJxstwm9CRoJ6lY+grgJDp2w3XGcE=; b=YmZxZpk4tCYcfjefo9Tfj0YzKtowFWazqL8RSZ+q5J9qgLqc/Dz4B/340XEVtfEZg4 6xstsvg0OA9XbKm/b8TaptTIThri0qznLZVPelqFG3ruwpAaN6VK4GUTB7sqOjBIaUeu Xw0FbbWUYkS/hmn2642EFTdNCtcObszSMuBqyP+zdpplFcTD5fDURzN6LJsOL1qc99kY nKXFIBI4SMWLKKTFC6kWIPb25lWxEQsHh/Ve0itXLYlz6TlYhwJc/aUoAyCnd1dJI/8T vgDzwp92PsNw+j5u5sJgnHz8+PyZFgKk/kyxs6/FmELMDf/04PN7gtHWKUvdGRVCIu7F dmyQ== Received: by 10.14.127.73 with SMTP id c49mr5092728eei.22.1341509679663; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q53sm64732887eef.8.2012.07.05.10.34.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FF5D02D.4080102@my.gd> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:34:37 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4FF5BF27.2030609@my.gd> <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQke0eNyw5JlxwlokYvSxEUj5fiQRHN6CoSj8Mz3c2WjLjiroHiP85ltgCvqygtZxa8yW/6T Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:34:41 -0000 On 7/5/12 7:18 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> >> On 7/5/12 6:38 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> inexperienced users. >>>> >>>> Having to enable it manually defeats its very purpose. >>> >>> so is FreeBSD future direction to be moron-OS just like linux is now, or >>> is that just another stupid idea on that forum that came and... will pass? >>> >>> Quite important. There are still people that want normal OS. >> >> >> Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it stupid, and just >> because it comes from linux doesn't make it bad. > > Both true. However, if the database lookups took a long time, or had a high overhead to maintain, then it would be stupid to have on by default. > > Warner > As a matter of fact, I for one dislike the idea of a feature that suggests packages to install. I hate it on linux, and I would hate it here as well. I would definitely be turning it off (or keeping it disabled, whichever), however I can see why some people would want such a feature and use it.