From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 13:18:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71C4A73F for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-x236.google.com (mail-yk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25FB131E for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 142so3967889ykq.13 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:18:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :organization:disposition-notification-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TJlC1RbCFO9yVFWPSYma2ePnL6BjuUugBf+LOSnRF/g=; b=TEqCuDDMmaduiEq0H0jT1Nic7sgo/0By8fcbPD3v1QImpJ/YfJv1wmqz2le8khU8XX oXkX7JEENYsN6ixLDImkOdKR06tPJOFxmHjIYiAUEhbjHc5dCZIHrVfh3gga1SinPN5g 7G6LNHJkQVrFOuvDqm2lR70lRf3GyiOngJl6E= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:disposition-notification-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TJlC1RbCFO9yVFWPSYma2ePnL6BjuUugBf+LOSnRF/g=; b=ccZjOOBLLqNhADUg9OjF/XS0UnRnZjYI5P5s13TBjnVe8Dh+pki7zICxgk3OqyXY+8 u/bGnjGmHHIgQLUTUB4nTAxcFckLRnujen/APTrdM9swdg8ii1yLgj8QefBbewIZT8bK +z6hxsdZhz6tmZZYHVHdDkWzvKxkTFLa99b2IVuhhPpkPEP74EyA1MFN338du6FOy/+H 1E6hJTU6bmPEva/KIieP9F5uZIlLaE4h+rdriBb+JBfPMbP3xcsj/WbLRB0w/XLE2GCN qGN1s3P4bcJJ65FDbLPv6fhOxg3q3is3VRFKzE9rpTWb0kJDHauPTE2FyoKUTz3iz1DJ mfnw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnOx/Bmv0l2drvcq+/xyoAkxO4Wvro+LSef5bzbsZ5uno9fENG9bhS5GXNJLB2LJwPUXCQS X-Received: by 10.170.206.68 with SMTP id x65mr3118296yke.104.1424351921170; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm18816403yhc.49.2015.02.19.05.18.40 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:18:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:18:39 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-ID: <20150219081839.1a4c0359@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150218173047.GA53030@slackbox.erewhon.home> <20150218184227.GC26575@neutralgood.org> <20150219132221.b5d14e68.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:18:42 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:22:21 +0100, Polytropon stated: > Excuse me, but what poop-minded movie is _that_ from?! > > In my (layman's) education about law I learned that "could", > "would", "should", and a bright imagination don't lead you > anywhere in a constituational state that is prout on providing > a legal system under the requirements of the rule of law. > It's the job of the investigators to _prove_ you're guilty, > not your job to prove you're not. Of course, that job isn't > always easy, I can understand this, and far too often, the > criminals get away because they know "some clever tricks". > But it's fully unacceptable that the whole thing turns around > in such a way that there is a _chance_ that innocent people > get convicted because of the _absence_ of evidence. Actually, you are not factually correct. There have been convictions based on the fact that the defendant invoked his 5th. Amendment rights to an excessive degree. The jury based the conviction on the simple fact that if the actions of the defendant were not nefarious, he/she would not have used the 5th. Amendment to such excursiveness. This has happened several times in the US. Actually, it makes sense. If you were not hiding something then why not disclose the facts. In any case, you do not need evidence to convict anyone. You have a legal system that can spend literally millions of dollars for a conviction and a public defender that will receive $250. per day per defendant. Usually their requests for extra funds for investigative resources is denied. The fact that anyone is ever found not guilty is actually quite unusual. If you don't think so, you watch way to much TV. Spend a few months at your local court house and see what really happens. -- Jerry