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Date:      Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:41:04 +0700
From:      Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net>
To:        Charles Lecklider <freebsd-stable@lists.invis.net>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Cannot find announcement that min supported i386 CPU is now i686
Message-ID:  <4873c4bd-abdc-f566-8038-e51c755b1222@grosbein.net>
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14.09.2020 4:30, Charles Lecklider via freebsd-stable wrote:

> On 2020-09-01 03:20, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>> CPU: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (499.91-MHz 586-class CPU)
>>   Origin="AuthenticAMD"  Id=0x5a2  Family=0x5  Model=0xa  Stepping=2
>>   Features=0x88a93d<FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8,SEP,PGE,CMOV,CLFLUSH,MMX>
>>   AMD Features=0xc0400000<MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow!>
>>
>> Of course, its NanoBSD image is built with CPUTYPE=i586 as well as installed packages.
> 
> You've got CMOV so you'll be fine with 11.4-RELEASE, whereas I don't:
> 
> CPU: Pentium/P55C (232.68-MHz 586-class CPU)
>   Origin="GenuineIntel"  Id=0x543  Family=0x5  Model=0x4  Stepping=3
>   Features=0x8003bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,APIC,MMX>
> 
> Getting 11.4 to work has been a *major* undertaking:
> 
> Setting CPUTYPE in `make.conf` doesn't set -march for the kernel build
> tools, so while you can compile world and kernel for i386, you can't
> actually link it to create a working kernel on a real i586 (I found that
> out with `/usr/obj` and `/usr/src` mounted over NFS).

Build time for modern FreeBSD version is too gross and needs way too much memory,
so I stopped building image for my i586 hardware "in place" quite long ago.
I use my i7-based desktop to build NanoBSD image for its upgrade, it works just fine
by default setting ARCH/TARGET_ARCH to i386 and correct CPUTYPE.

> Don't try -Os or -Oz (which really do help on a real i586) - ZFS will
> wedge quickly.

Currently i586-class CPU needs as many speed improvements as possible
and I was told that -Os might drop performance comparing with -O2,
so why bother?

> 11.4 i386 doesn't honour `vfs.zfs.arc_max` in any meaningful way
> resulting in one of the `find`s in periodic security wedging ZFS.

Been there, seen that. The problem pre-dates 11.x series and appeared in 10.x.
It was much better in times of 9.x, though.

> By ZFS wedging I mean something gets stuck on zio->i having eaten all of
> kmem (I presume - on the real i586 I expect ~200M in ARC would do that
> and that's what `top` shows) and that's it for the machine - it doesn't
> panic, but there's no more disk IO either.
> This also happens in VirtualBox with 4GB RAM, so it's not a hardware
> problem.
> 
> To get 11.4 to behave itself (and it's only been 72 hours so still early
> days) I've had to set:
> 
> options	KSTACK_PAGES=4

This is default for 12.x/i386 but was not merged to stable/11.

> and
> 
> kern.maxvnode="1024"
> vm.kmem_size="330M"
> vm.kmem_size_max="330M"
> vfs.zfs.arc_max="125M"
> vfs.zfs.arc_meta_limit="16M"
> 
> I had to set kmem for 11.3 but not the rest.

You might find useful these also:

vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.size="8M"
vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable="1"

And for kernel config:

options         KVA_PAGES=512

This makes ZFS more stable giving it bigger kernel virtual area with less utilization for it.

> TL;DR: I'd avoid 11.4 i386 as it doesn't appear to have been tested on
> i486/i586 at all.

Finally I gave up running ZFS for vmem-contrained systems,
e.g. I moved my i386 virtual machines that benefit from ZFS compression to amd64.

As for real i586-class hardware uncapable of Long Mode,
I do not use ZFS at all, UFS2/async+gjournal works just fine there including WiFi, IPSec etc. but no ZFS.





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