From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 20:09:20 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D204CAA4F23 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce.williams@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97A581EC7; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce.williams@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ob0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id xk3so90597652obc.2; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:09:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=eI5I+5mxxwXxyYVbawioiRH2wV/KnhWRVvhWsLEq06U=; b=t3gnAJScSNXorrw5qkqHuKTIbfbnYI1Akf7KcYdBFH03HhtTikCKn/8SApaoQYpC/1 Rh8iKqS7NjYpFTL7VFFvdppQ0Ibuppd53l4GuAil9izmQA5e43i8a/W4KB49CsLzc8xM 6twozt2O9rmvwFlBlCZBcbf9dvII4cQZ/kMW40WzQns+BgW+GntJQLG2R09fGfKwfGOQ 51+e7XOgMkyfZ8FnsXzJlP/W83L8kNsV+74S9HfkTvxm6CTxP0/YQJHA8WJVDgJCGC5f nwAlv+2txCjD61OxR31Vkcb2tecwXTImhb2Io/sNuGT3YIFU5n7fc0wl7FBTJA75t3v0 AaAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=eI5I+5mxxwXxyYVbawioiRH2wV/KnhWRVvhWsLEq06U=; b=HIftMk8dG1tpqAUUu6CdQp78WpBjBDCTtsV1TgPPU3Qtqf4Po+eMk3Ezzm5q6au50x aDgGZlP+e5CqOlZG98qf5UhkPR6zfYCXpd+qJ7gbKVtWAkwobnxzo+Qqwf+MfMArXh7t VtatpEf/cTsdvHKqB9LTSlOJddpLoZ6E+YqLP2T+sqYHq394Zz7Vl+qnbtan3bGMMe0t ua9Xgv0Wyx2jJW54zL3EEfKv+I877YL2dAr98dcK8CtH37JxPb9K7NEtfGAXQQvS1mI7 TWu/DCZSCBQM+Zf0YOXvdCkcxyPQg/jTk/ifcYwQqtsBq5lpZfh3Sw7wsCvpKyjRN2T0 j/gg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOT8sV1Xc6jC3BsihXyzuZFWK2jL8gxbvSQzDmr0UVj4rSGAGJOpdxOFNcJJwoynly9nwgiXWQLEcL3QtA== X-Received: by 10.60.124.83 with SMTP id mg19mr47262609oeb.14.1455221359901; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:09:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: royce.williams@gmail.com Received: by 10.202.169.198 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:08:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56BCE218.40403@marino.st> References: <56B754A8.3030605@marino.st> <56BCE01D.4010701@FreeBSD.org> <56BCE218.40403@marino.st> From: Royce Williams Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:08:50 -0900 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PWiK5890ksH6EK7biExL77kBqLs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Removing documentation To: John Marino Cc: lev@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List , Kevin Oberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 20:09:21 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:33 AM, John Marino wrote: > > On 2/11/2016 8:25 PM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On 07.02.2016 17:28, John Marino wrote: > > > >> ports-mgmt/synth. I would love to hear what signficant thing > >> portmaster can do that Synth can't. (honestly) > > Be installed FROM PORTS without all this build-one-more-gcc stuff. > > Ada? For *port*management* tool? Are you joking? > > Let me guess. You've spent actually 0.0 nanoseconds preparing on the > subject before providing this enlightened take for the list. Having read the entire thread, separate from the relative merits of Synth, the core of Lev's incredulity isn't that off the mark. On the face of it, Synth requiring ncurses seems reasonable ... but its Ada dependency is a bit of a mild POLA violation. Don't get me wrong -- I actually think Ada is pretty cool, and Lev could have been nicer about it ;), but he's essentially right. People's instincts are that software management is core functionality, and should have few unusual dependencies. My earlier side-thread point stands. FreeBSD software management is fragmented. Until that is resolved, a lot of time and effort will be wasted treating the symptoms. Royce