From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 4 13: 6:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.tse-online.de (cage.tse-online.de [194.97.69.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2980837B56F for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@cage.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 6943 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Apr 2000 20:09:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:09:06 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <20000404220906.K53658@cage.tse-online.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Brennan, On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > Once again I get flamed. sorry. But I think you're a little oversensitive regarding the previous reactions to your messages. Furthermore you're showing a certain kind of ignorance against the advices concerning 'tracking -stable' in the handbook (which is a prominent part of www.freebsd.org). > I am not saying I did not screw up the install. That is obvious, but the > documentation did not give any warning that the 4.0 upgrade would not work > as the ugprades from any of the 3.x upgrades did. I realize 4.0 has many > radical changes, that is why I looked so hard to find more documentation > on the site. a) You knew beforehand, that you would be switching to a new major release. b) Obviously you were tracking RELENG_3, weren't you? > I was subscribed to freebsd-announce and did not see anything on that list > to offer warning. I also looked over the site for any indication that the > upgrade would be different than before. Again I did not find anything. May I cite from the handbook, section 18.2.2.3. "Using FreeBSD-stable"? 1. Join the FreeBSD-stable mailing list [...]. This will keep you informed of build-dependencies that may appear in stable or any other issues requiring special attention. [...] 4. Before compiling stable, read the Makefile in /usr/src carefully. [...] Reading the FreeBSD-stable mailing list [...] will keep you up-to-date onother bootstrapping procedures that sometimes become necessary as we move towards the next release. > So I followed the same path as I did in all my previously successful > upgrades. Does that seem like a bad idea to you? Yes. Just because you were lucky in choosing just the right points of time to do your intermediate upgrades (leading to painless upgrades despite of ignoring the documentation), it doesn't mean, that you'll always have success with this attitude. > Of course I could have read 8 README files for some word of warning or new > instructions and joined the list 2 months in advance, but the fact > remains, Yes. You should have done so, definately. > the documentation for "make world" did not help me. And I did > read the errata, release and announce files. They told me a few things, > but nothing about using a different upgrade routine. The documentation for 'make world' (right in the second sentence of 18.4. Using make world) states: "Take a backup: I cannot stress highly enough ..." And a few lines downwards, once againg "Subscribe to the right mailing list". > FreeBSD handbook while the mailing list may not offer accurate help. The handbook states multiple times, that subscribing to the appropriate mailing list is a prerequisite for tracking one of the FreeBSD-branches. > In the future I think I will stick to reading online documentation and > avoid the mailing lists. According to the 'official FreeBSD documentation' exactly the wrong thing to do. -Andreas -- User acceptance test? - I'm 7'1" 320lbs. They except me or I eat their children. (as outlined in our terms of service) -- Matt "Trollboy" Wiseman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message