From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu Jan 3 20:18:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466801435D02 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 20:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x835.google.com (mail-qt1-x835.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::835]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67DC48D9F0 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 20:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x835.google.com with SMTP id l11so38285499qtp.0 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 12:18:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hXQqSMPozQ6u7eHK/lTCjPf4YW3s/Av3rUaWA/xnmrc=; b=KTVbRsl9H/UAfNi4kqDClopBactkrNBfi5ZRYKTbbzPkoh6tLRYjxHY6ADpBNlzS+V XhsVNf80T0DEOV1etcDIsvOFK+6STKt6IJLQMOuVjwUFmxj4vxv6PmIHJlUI8zIXXRiS /2EQhM42SGFis74mAawENQ8VK/Tm3Ct9Cnz8F5D8e1Sh4GZXrLNYp//smnx6QazVevyG /N+JAjrVJE1epYp3WFVSL73o7tOOJwOfYvLKYiB1EgJwmpH/Vkdbbe1OoraJTRzvxvkh 7Mp5lJ+hvbN+npgrXuHIWRZKxRdQKO0ecTXbcqQWsGomQHGiNfkhsPYWpqMLTHAKdAsS U8kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hXQqSMPozQ6u7eHK/lTCjPf4YW3s/Av3rUaWA/xnmrc=; b=PxDVeRUD5BDGMO87fofOs50PKlsFfdZoo80graV7cqdRdLs6eAKorA3wmtrBm28hfX xinV7NSqY7yWqHFgZs/ADV44xoAcb4u7RtMoE96N3X80J4kK2SO2+z8DCkaFHSTQqByK 3P4woyQCi0D6nyl1//qTrU86CNNC3rzdP3AvEvrZ4uOgbw2nR7iBvQYGEIitY9rvAifb 69xcHV3V/sswhMjGFm4r2Bp+bgekVwVM2qSsRMYz162aSSg9cmsiVkFI8POhalwfO53y TpWNgxB0qdpZD8q61Rw/lAoAdIPuSk1bbwYz9c2OwaUWKWR3CVXTh8U4JL7PmHOS3d1N 4E1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukeRR2i51Ck74/hU53DkbjIJdh7ferip0JDKR2s5vkDbFPUlmVpw xWLO9Q64MQtJOiODY9zEBRZxv6WsoSUyrRQlxM4exegL X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN5Fvs5aoTRFDSYIVzMNAurOvHN1XpL/ZfmhJWIwzJgVzvw+9FIRGwksNgkqOAS26DlMfyQ67mn36BKwlnoE+Sk= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f143:: with SMTP id y3mr48871795qvl.21.1546546702775; Thu, 03 Jan 2019 12:18:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201901021829.x02IT4Kc064169@slippy.cwsent.com> <361CCB81-AEB6-4EAC-9604-CD8F4C63948C@gmail.com> <7BCC2D20-7CC5-42B1-BBD2-F3D077D59081@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 13:18:11 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components To: Igor Mozolevsky Cc: Hackers freeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 67DC48D9F0 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=KTVbRsl9 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.30 / 15.00]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.832,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.47)[ip: (-8.47), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.14), asn: 15169(-1.64), country: US(-0.08)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 20:18:24 -0000 On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 1:00 PM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 19:44, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > And who is getting punished? We're having an interesting discussion > about a possible new technology to use and developing criteria to know when > we will know if/when it's useful. > > > "Call[ing] the discussion mostly closed," and calling to get on > implementing in CRust is pushing, if it isn't, then I don't know what > is:- > that's putting an end-cap on the productive part of the discussion, something we've been terrible as a project at doing. There's no punishment here. That's merely a summary of the more-or-less consensus view that this might be interesting someday, but isn't today. We really can't take the discussion farther than that right now. Warner