From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 12 09:44:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8C4106566B for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-arch@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235178FC24 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-arch@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JZNVc-0005Ga-Dz for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:28 +0000 Received: from 195.208.174.178 ([195.208.174.178]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:28 +0000 Received: from vadim_nuclight by 195.208.174.178 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:28 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org From: Vadim Goncharov Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.architechture Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Nuclear Lightning @ Tomsk, TPU AVTF Hostel Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <3bbf2fe10802061700p253e68b8s704deb3e5e4ad086@mail.gmail.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.208.174.178 X-Comment-To: Attilio Rao User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD) Sender: news Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Remove NTFS kernel support X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:44:34 -0000 Hi Attilio Rao! On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 02:00:41 +0100; Attilio Rao wrote about '[RFC] Remove NTFS kernel support': > As exposed by several users, NTFS seems to be broken even before first > VFS commits happeing around the end of December. Those commits exposed > some problems about NTFS which are currently under investigation. > Ultimately, This filesystem is also unmaintained at the moment. > Speaking with jeff, we agreed on what can be a possible compromise: > remove the kernel support for NTFS and maybe take care of the FUSE > implementation. > What I now propose is a small survey which can shade a light on us > about what do you think about this idea and its implications: > - Do you use NTFS? Yes, occasionally. And I had scenarios when I was needed it withput Internet access, FUSE, etc. > - Are you interested in maintaining it? Not in 8.0 timeline :) > - Do you know a good reason to not use FUSE ntfs implementation? What > the kernel counter part adds? Localization: ntfs-3g requires UTF-8 as the only locale. And FreeBSD is not good in supporting UTF-8 everywhere (syscons, ufs2, etc.), while kernel part supports recoding to current locale's codepage. Valuable for people with non Latin-1 set. > - Do you think axing the kernel support a good idea? No. It was said about FAT32 as most popular FS for file exchange, look at that new USB flash devices with 4G+ sizes. People want to store 4G+ size files on them (e.g. DVD images), so I've already seen some of them formatted to NTFS instead of FAT32. Having support for them out of the box is good. -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181 mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight]