From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Nov 21 08:22:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA01630 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01618; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA24671; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:21:50 GMT Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:22:03 +0000 Received: from tees.elsevier.co.uk (tees.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.60]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA05973; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:21:59 GMT Received: (from dpr@localhost) by tees.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) id QAA02933; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:20:47 GMT To: sos@FreeBSD.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? We do! References: <199611211531.QAA01142@ravenock.cybercity.dk> From: Paul Richards Date: 21 Nov 1996 16:20:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: Soren Schmidt's message of Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:31:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <57n2wb8lnl.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Soren Schmidt writes: > I have a very good example, I stated some month back that I'd > take reponsibility of the atapi/ide driver and do a rewrite, > because there was ALOT of talk about how miserable our current > implementation was. I also stated that in order to do that I > needed some samples of atapi/ide equipment as I dont have the > funding for doing that (and given I had I'd buy SCSI :) ) > but I didn't get ONE single reponse of that kind, no sir, but > I got alot of "let me test it, gimme, gimme, gimme". C'mon. You make valid point generally but this last paragraph is silly. I'm not surprised that you haven't received any hardware. People don't happen to have kit just sitting there doing nothing, it's generally all they've got and they can't just send it off to some developer somewhere, I seem to remember your conditions regarding their return weren't very encouraging either. This is even more the case for people with IDE kit (no offense implied to anyone here) since it's generally budget kit so people aren't going to send off hardware they've struggled to save for. I think this is a very unfair generalisation, *most* FreeBSD users are on tight budgets and those that aren't are SCSI shops anyway and I tend to find that SCSI folks would rather see IDE die :-) I'd be encouraged by the fact that a lot of people were willing to volunteer their time to test it. -- Paul Richards. Originative Solutions Ltd. (Netcraft Ltd. contractor) Elsevier Science TIS online journal project. Email: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155