From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Apr 20 03:59:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AF1B15B17 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 03:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan_partelly@rdsor.ro) Received: from mail.rdsor.ro (mail.rdsor.ro [193.231.238.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAE01ADF for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 03:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan_partelly@rdsor.ro) Received: from email.rdsor.ro (ftp.rdsor.ro [193.231.238.4]) by mail.rdsor.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2DF1F844; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 06:59:34 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 06:59:38 +0300 From: dan_partelly To: Warner Losh Cc: Matthew Grooms , Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) In-Reply-To: References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: dan_partelly@rdsor.ro User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.4-beta X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 03:59:36 -0000 > > Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn’t one where progress is > made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which grinds people into > dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You might call it a > discussion, but it reads to me more as a bunch of angry villagers storming > the castle. No good can come from that. Tone down the outrage by a factor > of 100 and try to have the conversation again. > I'm frankly perplexed by this statement. Its seldom I perceived so much sorrow and bitterness in 6 lines. There is no castle Warner, unless you want one to exist, one where you can isolate yourself from the indentured peasants and anything they say. Beyond your thick walls you'll be well served, every idea outside your wals will be toned down by a factor of 100 by the time it reaches the lord, becoming total agreement with anything the lord thinks. I cant believe I wrote this shit. But then again, I cant believe you just wrote what you did.