From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 24 23:25:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869D314C81 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA29733; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:52:08 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id PAA03236; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:52:07 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:52:07 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Wes Peters Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Christopher Masto , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Mandatory locking? Message-ID: <19990825155207.Q83273@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990823231130.A16133@netmonger.net> <19990823232726.B16133@netmonger.net> <37C2B148.60FB81FA@newsguy.com> <37C3890B.7AD1E44F@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37C3890B.7AD1E44F@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 12:11:23AM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 25 August 1999 at 0:11:23 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: >> >> Christopher Masto wrote: >>> >>> I don't see the use for it. >> >> :-) >> >> The thing is SO obviously flawed, that I wonder how many marketoid >> drones it took to make sensible people think it is actually useful. >> :-) > > And how many programmers with nearly (or more than) two decades of UNIX > experience it takes to convince someone it really is useful. I must say, I'm really amazed at some of the opinions that have been voiced in this thread. Of course, that's all they are, and they show the origins of their owners. Any system with multiple concurrent accesses requires locking. Only UNIX uses advisory locking. It almost does the job, so nobody has tried to fix things. But that doesn't make it right. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message