From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 3 20:08:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F229EE8D26 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 20:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF64178B2D for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 20:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w13K8aZw006617 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Feb 2018 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id w13K8ax8006614; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Christian Weisgerber cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUJ - turn off for SSDs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 03 Feb 2018 13:08:36 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 20:08:44 -0000 On Sat, 3 Feb 2018, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Recent commits to bsdinstall now enable softupdates journaling (SUJ) > by default, with the caveat "turn off for SSDs". > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/gpart_ops.c?view=log > > Why would you want to turn off journaling on SSDs? Because the problems it was meant to solve (slow fsck) are not a problem on SSDs, and SUJ has problems with snapshots for use with dump(8).