Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:36:00 -0700 From: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) Message-ID: <CAGH67wTQm4W2mnaWoK6NQaqJ99J1%2BT1Hp7nL6EhBsy3MOgv2XA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGH67wQJX=Ln-T32TnCnwWxu9D0_F2fNaq9U_WLQoRCRTRQJaA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CA%2BQLa9B-Dm-=hQCrbEgyfO4sKZ5aG72_PEFF9nLhyoy4GRCGrA@mail.gmail.com> <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4FF5BF27.2030609@my.gd> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1207051838440.3799@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> <EAA0281B-63E6-42AA-A5B9-B84494CE9675@bsdimp.com> <CAGH67wQJX=Ln-T32TnCnwWxu9D0_F2fNaq9U_WLQoRCRTRQJaA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >> >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >>> >>> On 7/5/12 6:38 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>>> inexperienced users. >>>>> >>>>> Having to enable it manually defeats its very purpose. >>>> >>>> so is FreeBSD future direction to be moron-OS just like linux is now, or >>>> is that just another stupid idea on that forum that came and... will pass? >>>> >>>> Quite important. There are still people that want normal OS. >>> >>> >>> Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it stupid, and just >>> because it comes from linux doesn't make it bad. >> >> Both true. However, if the database lookups took a long time, or had a high overhead to maintain, then it would be stupid to have on by default. > > Here's a *random* thought to consider. This seems like a feature that > FreeNAS/PC-BSD/etc (Linux/Windows/other OS convert) type thing might > want -- so maybe the feature should exist (but be off) in FreeBSD and > exist (and be on) in custom FreeBSD distros where users aren't > necessarily expected to know FreeBSD. And FWIW, this can exist as a *port* which is LD_PRELOADed (or use some other LD* hack) as an opt-in for a select set of shells. -Garrett PS I personally don't care about this feature on FreeBSD, but I understand how to use FreeBSD. I sometimes find it helpful on other OSes like Debian that I don't actively use all of the time.
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