From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 17 15:22:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37E437B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED54643E88 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAHNMDOs021676; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:22:14 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id gAHNMBsc021673; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:22:11 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:22:11 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Mattias Pantzare Cc: Anthony Atkielski , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? In-Reply-To: <1037570442.1094.33.camel@skalman.campus.luth.se> Message-ID: <20021118010632.X14880-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17 Nov 2002, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > On Sun, 2002-11-17 at 22:03, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Marc writes: > > > > > Actually ... there is a difference between a > > > developer stress-testing an application, especially > > > one as complex as an OS, and real world testing > > > ... > > > > That's why software companies usually have dedicated test groups. > > > > > How many developers have the hardware to > > > continously pound in such an environment > > > for 20 days straight until it finally > > > decides to crash? > > > > Large software companies do, and that's exactly what is done. > > And they still won't find all bugs. Whe have found bugs in a big router > verndors products that where so bad that we had to move some functions > to a diffrent box in order to have a working network. They could not > repeat that in the lab. Testing is good, but one has to keep in mind > that it is very hard to simulate real loads. > You are missing the point - testing does indeed find very large percenatge of bugs, esp. bad ones. Not all - just a quite large percenatge. If testing did not help, companies would definately have gotten rid of their test teams long ago. Testing - including dead boring regular testing - definately helps. But there is in practice no chance wahtsoever i fear that say -current would be in a state where one might say 'and now bound on it' in regular, say bi-weekly periods. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message