From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 23 17:54:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA24236 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24226 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18986; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24558; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:51:01 -0400 (EDT) To: Terry Lambert cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: root only: (was Re: comments on this change please.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:17:57 PDT." <199610240017.RAA10899@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: <24554.846118260@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote in message ID <199610240017.RAA10899@phaeton.artisoft.com>: > You only care because that is how you do system management. > > You only do system management that way because there is not an > effective framework to use for system management. > > There is not an effective framework to use for system management > because the system files are spread all over the place, and they > are not data driven. > > The system files are spread all over the place, and they are not > data driven, because you care too much to allow the necessary > intermediate steps to take place to fix the problem. > > Catch-22. May I point out that moving the datafiles first is like putting the cart before the horse. If you want to NOT surprise and confuse users, the system management tools should be present first, then the files can be moved to /this/is/an/exteremely/stupid/place/to/put/a/file/but/here/goes for all the user cares ... he just loads up the admin tool and off he goes. > To put it another way: to get ahead, I eventually have to leave the > chair in which I am sitting. Progress implies change. I'm not against change. I'm all for some forms of change (e.g. re-organising the src tree to make developing new platforms easier). I'm against change which causes more confusion than the change was worth. For my money, moving named data files into /var/namedb at this time fits that category. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info