From nobody Wed Sep 11 08:47:20 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X3Z3p5TXpz5W88T for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (bastille.leidinger.net [89.238.82.207]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-256) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X3Z3p1dqBz46mx; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1726044495; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=oA2tTlu26rVogXSptzzXkkZhqhk9G5bnmH4HcTWKYS0=; b=hWeaMos6LR9wq8Qt+9t/0QzTvPsApEJdoU6pj6Np0eVAqaFNqvWru637z5MJhCxv+VPkxL kEquCdEHjboLdKvnUPbKLjwwzZLMQkKIQZzVnbiRWxnbHfX0azSH3C/xDNswKVchpZxJjr 2qYFYEGZR+VqiEcYMxGIZFHt3am36akctt06oaNCVdgO9fC7FexoxKCc/Rfj8bU/3bqt/c 9iaYtU6jT8CcpP77pqDuA+rMIZ+EEPeLrWXV01CM/uJYwXRQ2Z7We6Zyw3vLnKdFnK6AdW /uzcJ6A6Ae5VZgtUB9fb6Up+qXfy5IeZUk5HKHPZbxaDOWJebHoRjE6BubUGEA== Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 10:47:20 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Olivier Certner Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) In-Reply-To: <6292298.r39cKavRk3@ravel> References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <2372745.viN5riZIyJ@ravel> <1fc46e4362bd11816d63027ec8cb8f09@Leidinger.net> <6292298.r39cKavRk3@ravel> Message-ID: Organization: No organization, this is a private message. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_fb1255fc750c2cc4b451a7a88b31938f"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:89.238.64.0/18, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X3Z3p1dqBz46mx This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_fb1255fc750c2cc4b451a7a88b31938f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Am 2024-09-10 21:41, schrieb Olivier Certner: >> IMO it doesn't hurt to move the toolchain out of src (...) >> >> (...) I would not want to move everything to ports (...), but I would >> not >> mind having a ports-like approach for src (...) > > To clarify and be sure we are on the same page, I also don't mind what > you describe *provided* there is appropriate tooling to easily: > - Get all the code part of base, and not only for building it. > - Navigate its history, both for code changes but also integration in > base for upstream projects (upstream history is nice, but not enough). > > In other words, I insist on having the same ease of use that we have > today with everything in a single repository. Being able to just build > base *is not enough*. Else, moving things to ports is going to cause > important pain for several use cases such as code inspection and > auditing, collaborative maintenance of code moved to ports, > understanding why/whether some changes have impact on some components, > system consistency, etc. I consider src, ports, and docs as separate repos, not as one repo (we can branch them separately, that's the point of distinction for me). With that POV I do not think it is pragmatic to have the toolchain in the same repo. I understand that it's convenient and less painful, and pragmatic in regards to what you have mentioned, to keep it within a repo in our control (like now, just in parallel to ports/src/doc). 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