From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 16 16:33:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78372342867 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49mYft0xrNz4K4q for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.33.9]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MGhds-1jhKmE29wI-00DoRL for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:33:40 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:33:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd Message-Id: <20200616183340.9bcb7d4b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200616115951.00005528@seibercom.net> References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <13115.1592302784@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20200616071153.00006f4d@seibercom.net> <20200616075548.000066f1@seibercom.net> <20200616140416.bd7b8bf2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616142043.7d599458.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616144141.6203d978e9bd43418b17dcbc@sohara.org> <20200616170906.9c0bb6c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616115951.00005528@seibercom.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:0c8W80zr5mHKGsapOMGsAZv/TF39bAS/7wNW3dYhiuF7qyTzpI1 VwAEPZxND+LsDSP/GL3m+52MrtSdzriykgMkCQKH4GkiUN1T6ucZxJNcDyjzkgWR0xWrTbD CrsqNjkdASf2PPpeNzvLXIFDrZB//K26p1IUJZHfxLhIZUWfSpTj7NcAeRBXarpbC+MDbgu OljTI5JkRykcrQ/FHWocg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:uXnE8S/XK7I=:fIZg/T+7pGbAaa4nxXDH09 KANh6MYEW8XFnx6p8fBVftRVuMNhpD5UcP8czDzmyck9m5Tamq8ZmKuNfO9GAEdUQkEXy10sh /bgMtQIabEqehPpXIFOqc9kFygoXUDW3/mt78nL78QWjS7CiyiMhLUmxby9AiUD+UtnPf5RVx bKHy573lI7fd6CA1xC05GfSzVf6XWhzURA++2a35YjeEJctuYVgewkMoNDGRZ30Zw0hsz55LM to2R6tOpuC29la9cy3sEWmhI0jcQQSthuz+yZ7BrNHzgn+gnTVvfMbon4X/knrQsJryGeEQwC t0SwJblFUxmOy0l01dlnBVshe+3p6tBy0B29gtcpEgMgymwxaGuHaWTlVEgO191xLHpr17w+r IGyqRM/nms+hgxJ9K9TIZrXAopUDDeQ/CXITmOkj1/8iL0CpWa/ZypwZrXgJNg000jmZOCZ/J 5BJgffqV2hdwZma7p3u//xXBlYGXEcB+Cl5gK3dmaYB+1vHhAyVDziB75InZD0prn8SO6eKa7 payplLLgjS5hznGD8fU2XlZE9h5PlM5ZHDNkGbnJnH1+uE8IFffRVfcduQH4jhlkUCGOaQBuZ okEWFcHsSSXhd9VoffWjV4CJkGYCpg1sSzc5PzAd9NzAO1nKiOzCAz4XdrTn2n1QjQuKQMdU2 tXprhEEMnqoGxZJbJp+LpH/6Ry6PB2bLO43b3eg7ZlMvIbB/0aKSTxwRryuaawsbJnGJaWd3Q YeSC8qAP/WZjG0OdpfZHynt6Ph+5I4RAPqTt3vBdxty0vmkMy+CmfYKVPDUUJt8WZvVrtV1AM TmmqXS4VWDIoeOM9cyxHJDdrVyJxWvtRa+jahcIi8Cq/culhtqTp5qZSlUOR6lhasSMWb57 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49mYft0xrNz4K4q X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:33:42 -0000 On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:59:51 -0400, Jerry wrote: > I have seen a few users here claim if they receive a transmission and > it is not in the format that they approve of, they will delete it. Now, > allow me to say this as nicely as I possible can. If some entity wants > to send an electronic document formated with a 200 character line > length, R2L with the characters inverted, that is their right. If the > intended recipient chooses to discard that communication, that is their > right. Mechanism: "You want something - you do something." If people seek help from this list and present questions like this: I tried to execute http://bob.example.com/script.sh and got the error http://bob.example.com/error.txt, what should I do? I bet a majority of mailing list participants would not try to visit the external sources in the first place, but instead rightfully expect the code in question and the error message to be part of the question. (Of course, this is oversimplified, but I'm sure it's easy to get the idea.) Instead, if the question was this: $ cat script.sh #!/bin/sh echo "My name is $USER and I'm using $TERM." exit 0 $ ll script.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 bob staff 62 2020-06-16 18:32:14 script.sh $ ./script.sh ./script.sh: Permission denied. Immediately replies would be arriving stating the problem and offering a solution. On the other hand - "tool analogy" -, providing external resources for 200 lines of log messages is surely better than posting them to the list. Part of Etiquette is what what I would consider "craft your message carefully and intendedly", in this example, to only quote directly relevant or exemple lines from a lengthly log file instead of the whole file. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...