From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Feb 18 21: 2:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1866737B401 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14917; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAv_aybD; Sun Feb 18 21:55:52 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA12085; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:01:56 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200102190501.WAA12085@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Moving Things To: marcel@cup.hp.com (Marcel Moolenaar) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:01:55 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com (Jordan Hubbard), arch@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3A908324.EF6F4385@cup.hp.com> from "Marcel Moolenaar" at Feb 18, 2001 06:21:24 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > (taking a good dose of that ol' Janx Spirit) > > Back to the original question: "should games stay or should it go?". > This question can also be asked like: "Sendmail or postfix?". It's a > question about preferences and pre-selections and thus policies and/or > philosophies. If we let go of the answers and implement a framework that > allows everybody to answer that question for his or herself, then how do > we define FreeBSD? Whatever "Janx Spirit" is, spit it out. Windows practically lets you add or remove much of the OS, starting with a number of broad categories, and then having a "details" button that further breaks these categories down, and elect to add or remove individual subcomponents. No one calls it "not Windows" because every optional thing that can be removed has been removed (If you open up the control panel, and go to Accessoris/Screen Savers/Flying Windows, and uncheck the box to remove that one file, it's still Windows). There's undeniably merit in knowing, without having to go looking, that an installation of your OS will come with some things, by default. I think that having "preferred" sets for various purposes, including "Minimal" and "Maximal" installations, or "server" and "workstation" and "laptop" and "8M flash" and "firewall", etc., configurations, which can then be further customized (perhaps to the point of taking the defaults for a server, and turning it into a setup identical to what you would have gotten, had you chosen "laptop"), is definitely the direction everyone should be thinking. So if you are worrying over becoming something other than FreeBSD merely by having a more, you can definitely stop panicing; if it were that easy, I would have long ago removed the file from my Windows box that made it be "Windows". 8-). I'm finding much sympathy with the Linux camp's assertion that Linux is the kernel, and everything else is just a distribution... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message