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Subject: Re: misc/22621: tcl.h and tk.h not in the right places.
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On  5 Nov, billf@FreeBSD.org wrote:
> Synopsis: tcl.h and tk.h not in the right places.
> 
> State-Changed-From-To: analyzed->closed
> State-Changed-By: billf
> State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 5 10:44:09 PST 2000
> State-Changed-Why: 
> The reasons for using nonstandard installations of tcl libraries
> is, as you mentioned, to avoid namespace collision. Discussions
> regarding this appear in the ports mailing list archive.
> 
> Perhaps you could submit a port that installs the expected
> headers with small headers that just "#error ..." with a detailed
> message and the tcl/tk ports could depend on that port to at
> least help our users out.
> 
Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed. I certainly realized when
I saw the problem, that it was a simple fix, however
this type of lazy approach taken by the writer, mainatiner,
porter and (now) the bug warden shows utter disregard for the
quality that FreeBSD is renown for.

FreeBSD has a good name with regards to providing packages
and ports that work. Sloppy workmanship like this reflects
on the entire community, but just the people mentioned.
It should also be note that expecting people to read
a mailing list for such trivial bug is ludicrous.

The only sillier I heard for any Open Source group
was Mozilla. They actully expect people to use
IRC as a means of tech-support. I told them they were nuts.

True the real problem is simple to solve, but it seems
that a trival problem, because is has no glory or fame,
is being cast aside without good cause - only to reflect
on the entire community.

My issue (and this rant) is in hopes that if this is
a "common ports issue", it should be address. Perhaps,
OpenPackages.org is the place to do this. Perhaps, we
should outline these "common issues" and set policy
or at least write guidelines. Frankly, I believe no
one cares about it because no one uses it. No one uses
it because it breaks (on stupid things like this).

				best regards,
				Jessem.





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