From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 5 11:41:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BCD737B405 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 42617 invoked by uid 100); 5 Nov 2001 19:41:41 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15334.60277.832949.765531@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:41:41 -0600 To: David Johnson Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NatWest? no thanks In-Reply-To: <3BE6DBC6.5A985010@acuson.com> References: <20011102090253.G795-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> <3BE2EF8D.4CB9A508@acuson.com> <63zo63brsq.o63@localhost.localdomain> <15332.18917.367328.996483@guru.mired.org> <3BE6DBC6.5A985010@acuson.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson types: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > If you haven't, find a copy of Raskin's "The Humane Interface", and > > read it. He argues - quite convincingly - that the real problem is > > that people are being offered applications at all. It's silly to have > > to start a "word processor" to deal with a document with words in it > > vs. having to start a "drawing program" to deal with a document with > > graphics in it when the operations on the two things are fundamentally > > the same: add, select, cut, copy, paste and set properties. > > OpenDoc on OS/2 Warp, now there was a humane interface. > > Problem is that the software companies aren't selling interfaces, > they're selling applications. It's going to be up to us non-commercial > Open Source types to take the best ideas of OS/2, RISCOS, and others and > combine them into a human interface. Unfortunately we seem too obsessed > with creating WIMP++ to have time to break the mold and start over. FWIW, most of the ideas that Raskin talks about were implemented in the Canon Cat. I think it's going to take a hardware company selling a platform built around those ideas. Open source systems makes that less likely by providing a cheap supply of readymade conventional software. That OS/2 and the Cat are both dead doesn't help much. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message