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Date:      Fri, 17 May 1996 14:46:28 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Scanner SOD <scanner@webspan.net>
To:        Vladimir Jojic <vjojic@EUnet.yu>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: very bad
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.91.960517144047.17748A-100000@orion.webspan.net>
In-Reply-To: <199605171009.MAA00475@EUnet.yu>

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On Fri, 17 May 1996, Vladimir Jojic wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> What IS very bad about this whole thing, isn't existance of this bug,
> as much as how easliy information about it can be obtained. Even if 
> you do send patch along with info, there is still danger that someone,
> gets up earlier than root, and then ... (sweat dreams, root!)
> 
> I am not very familiar with mailing list programs, but there is posible
> improvment (if it isn't yet done):
> 
> - add special class of mailing list, such as security list
> 
> - when user wants to be added to this list, program checks
>   if his root (of system from which mail came) is on the 
>   list:
> 	1. yes, inform root (or address he left), about
> 	   that user (even ask if he allows him to join
> 	   this list, this is a bit fascist, but that's
>  	   security)
>         2. not, inform root about existence of this list
> 	   ask him if he wants to join (where to send him
> 	   mail, how much to *delay* info on bugs to users
> 	   on his system, or not even allow them to join
>            (hey, maybe system is crackers nest))
>            if not, ask him should the user be allowed to
>            join list

I have to agree. Myself and others on the FreeBSD Net. 
(http://www.bsdnet.org) Have recently become very concerned about the 
policies of the propogation and lack thereof, of security information on 
FreeBSD. Im not blaming anyone I acknowledge just how many hours there 
are in a day for the everyone. But we fear that as FreeBSD becomes a more 
appealing route to take for a lot of ISP's, companies, etc.. That we are 
going to wind up taking the same policies. See no evil hear no evil.

I have complete faith that BSD is one of the most secure unicies out there,
But when a "feature" :) like the mount_union pops up it makes one wonder 
what is wrong with that picture. I would like to volunteer to help out in 
any way to see that something along the lines of vladimir's suggestions 
are carried out. I think we need a fast, safe way to bring admins the 
information that is critical.

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