From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Aug 7 10:52:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19577 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19563 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA19002; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:48:30 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:48:30 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi Reply-To: Narvi To: Michael Smith cc: Parag Patel , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, agp@peritek.com Subject: Re: Status of USB, TX chipset, PIIX3, etc. In-Reply-To: <199708070414.NAA13026@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > Parag Patel stands accused of saying: > > > > > >In 10k volumes, an integrated USB target/micro device would have to be > > >under the AUD$1 mark before it is cost effective. Try getting that > > >sort of quantity pricing on the Z8 or PIC micros commonly used in > > >serial mice these days... > > > > I just saw an ad at the back of the latest EETimes (Mon Aug 4, 1997 #965) > > from Cypress . The ad claims that they're selling > > the first USB uC under $1.00. (But they don't mention quantity.) It's > > their CY7C63nxx series of parts designed for joysticks, gamepads, and > > keyboards. > > Alright! Talk about timing 8) The price in those sort of Well, the data sheets for various USB controllers have been on the Cypress Web page for quite some time already... > adevertisements is almost always their bulk quantity pricing. > A micro with 4Kb EPROM & 128 B RAM for $1 in small quantities? Where can I line up (unless the performance really sucks). Actually it is $1 for 10000+ . For quantity 1, marshall lists one (2KB EPROM, 128 RAM, 12/6 Mhz, DIP) for $3.73 Not too bad... Sander > > It's an 8-bit microcontroller including RAM (128 or 256 bytes depending > > on the part), EPROM (4Kb or 8Kb), a USB serial engine, and a transceiver. > > It has a clock-doubler and "instant-on" low-power features. Number of > > I/Os (whatever those are) vary from 10 to 39. The ad claims it's a RISC > > core but doesn't say what's in it. > > Number of I/O's refers to the number of uncommitted external pins > available for generic I/O. You need 6 for a 3-button rodent; if > you're patient enough you can do absolutely anything with 10 (but you > need extra logic; more I/O's just saves you space and parts count). > > I'll have to look into these guys; this is pretty hot stuff. > > > The also advertise a development system is $495 including an emulator, > > assembler, debugger, software for mouse/joysticks, and a USB code > > library. Not quite at the geek hobbyist level, but certainly not > > outrageous either. > > US$500 is pretty average for a full development kit; there's probably a > cheaper option that just gives you the asembler and leaves you to build > the programming hardware yourself. > > Do they mention anything about reprogrammable parts? The $1 component > is going to be an OTP in a plastic package I expect; an EEPROM or > windowed part would be useful for development. > > > For the record, I'm not am employee, customer, a contractor, or in any > > way affiliated with Cypress. > > I wouldn't care if you were; the information is still appreciated 8) > > > -- Parag > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ >