From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 23 21:00:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EF616A4DA for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D02943D45 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:00:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.pc (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-1) with ESMTP id k6NKxwsB019797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:59:59 +0300 Received: from gothmog.pc (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6NKxrrj003463; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:59:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.pc (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k6NKxrV8003224; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:59:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:59:53 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Arseny Nasokin Message-ID: <20060723205953.GA74473@gothmog.pc> References: <44BFAE1D.30906@cwt.uz> <44C0D55B.60500@preved.cn> <20060722042347.GE53239@gothmog.pc> <20060723115425.GD12706@tarc.po.cs.msu.su> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060723115425.GD12706@tarc.po.cs.msu.su> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.762, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.64, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Welcome message for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:00:18 -0000 On 2006-07-23 15:54, Arseny Nasokin wrote: >On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 07:23:47AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>On 2006-07-21 17:23, Tarasov Alexey wrote: >>>Timur Yuldashev wrote: >>>> New motd-welcome message for FreeBSD. >>>> >>>> http://www.cwt.uz/motd >>>> >>>> best regards >>> >>> I like it! Very good. >> >> I don't. It is pretty "content free" when compared with our current >> default motd. >> >> The information in the current motd file is useful and provides hints >> towards stuff that may be interesting both to a new admin who just >> installed FreeBSD and a new user who just happened to log into a FreeBSD >> system. >> >> More importantly, the default /etc/motd is just a sample motd file, >> which you are free to edit locally :) > > I prefer put default motd to support(7) page. > and set this motd as default You are forgetting that someone who has just logged in may not know how to reach the support(7) manpage. The current motd can *POINT* him there: | Welcome to FreeBSD! | [...] | manual page. If you are not familiar with manual pages, type `man man'. How will the user know what to do if you go ahead and hide all the information currently visible by just logging in?