From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 17 13:37:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0E137B714 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02494; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAMPayRe; Fri Mar 17 14:36:47 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21560; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:37:27 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200003172137.OAA21560@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Wow, it has been a while To: john@brann.org (John Brann) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:37:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org (J McKitrick), john@brann.org (John Brann), chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000317160515.A86674@freebie.brann.org> from "John Brann" at Mar 17, 2000 04:05:15 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The biggies for me (as an observer) are still the VM system and softupdates. > Admittedly that may not be recent in Internet Time (TM), but they represent > significant achievements. > > I watch the current- list and the process of re-engineering which has gone > into the newbus effort, the PC-CARD work (and CAM before those) represents, to > me, innovation of the most useful kind. Is it ground-breaking in the way > that a working PDA was when it appeared - a revolution in the way that we > think about computing - no, but that's not what FreeBSD is for. > > I'm sure Terry Lambert would fulminate about my choices, and call down the > judgement of heaven on the lack of orthogonality in the file-system stacking > layers, but he too, represents a source of innovative thinking (and fine > email commentary) in FreeBSD. Since my employer paid for the Soft Updates port, and since Soft Updates was my suggestion on how to get rid of the heavy and expensive UPS in the first generation product, and since I was involved in the initial integration work, trouble shooting, etc., I'm unlikely to call down the Wrath Of God on you for soft updates. That said, it could have been done somewhat differently, which would have allowed exporting a transactioning interface to user space via a stacking layer, and that would have been quite a coup for support of databases which currently have to use raw partitions and do their own transaction tracking on systems without one... 8-p Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message