From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 13 18:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD5116A41F for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:56:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dpkirchner@gmail.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F6843D6D for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:56:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dpkirchner@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j3so57408ugf for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OOLifQyZW3VNfY7fUkKr2h0WkBv7W4+D9MOAvvhu9nKqwKHUQhDbwA9seof5RvkjAYBtE+RqIRl/RyGWBU+ZKcw6sECB74nimyrx1H8IVFsYiRq/vMdld4Jmi3GFS6D7uQGHAkW8kh0Du/WbvO26XcqhvcZ9mj/b8XyF3YBK/2g= Received: by 10.48.143.13 with SMTP id q13mr84561nfd; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.219.10 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35c231bf0601131056m1471289bwb26439fe911db128@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0800 From: David Kirchner Sender: dpkirchner@gmail.com To: Doug Ambrisko In-Reply-To: <200601131828.k0DISOoo088453@ambrisko.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200601131212.19465.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <200601131828.k0DISOoo088453@ambrisko.com> Cc: Scott Mitchell , Vivek Khera , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Jung-uk Kim Subject: Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:56:05 -0000 On 1/13/06, Doug Ambrisko wrote: > I'd suggest whining to them. To me "optimal" means "as far as I know > there are no problems with the RAID". If enough customers whine they > might change their view! heh. When we've told Dell that some of our 1750s and 1850s were locking up randomly, with various errors (most common, either the mpt0 driver complains and never recovers, or the server locks up entirely with no error), we're told that a) FreeBSD isn't supported and b) to run the diagnostics disk (which never finds anything except that the CD ROM drive is empty) which basically leads to the implied c) to piss up a rope. Dell cares not about us FreeBSD users. Better to just go with known-working hardware like 3ware cards. I do wish they had a SCSI RAID controller. Seems like all major SCSI RAID cards have various problems: Adaptec 2100S(and the rest in the line) would not rebuild transparently -- the OS would get various timeout errors while rebuilds or verifies were ongoing; Mylex's FreeBSD driver has 2.5 year old bug i386/55603; and then these Dell cards (LSI?) have obvious problems. I'm sure there are others I've missed. 3ware cards in Supermicro servers (not sure which exact models, Silicon Mechanics sells them as their R200, R204, Q500, and others) are rock solid for us even during rebuilds and with degraded arrays. And the best part is they're not Dells.