From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Jul 13 12:51:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECD5103B6EB for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEAE884BA6; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from tom.home (kib@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kib.kiev.ua (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w6DCotSX067986 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:50:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 kib.kiev.ua w6DCotSX067986 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w6DCosWh067985; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:50:54 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:50:54 +0300 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Mark Johnston Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: early x86 microcode loading Message-ID: <20180713125054.GK5562@kib.kiev.ua> References: <20180712183116.GB15892@raichu> <50839.1531428749@critter.freebsd.dk> <20180712224631.GF15892@raichu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180712224631.GF15892@raichu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FREEMAIL_FROM,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on tom.home X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:51:04 -0000 On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 06:46:31PM -0400, Mark Johnston wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 08:52:29PM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > -------- > > In message <20180712183116.GB15892@raichu>, Mark Johnston writes: > > > > >My plan is to extend cpucontrol(8) to determine the > > >correct microcode update for the running system, and have the devcpu-data > > >port install the corresponding file to /boot/firmware. > > > > This is problematic when a diskimage is migrated to a different CPU, > > only on the second reboot on the new hardware are you certain to > > have the correct microcode. > > > > For images which are resurrected on demand on whatever hardware is > > available this really problematic. > > I can think of three ways to address this case: > > 1a) Always load all of the updates as a single file, and select the > correct update during boot. As I pointed out, this wastes some > memory (a couple of megabytes currently). On at least amd64 it > doesn't look very practical to release the pages backing the > update file back to the VM. That is, I don't think we can easily > "shed" the preloaded file data once the correct update has been > selected and saved. > > 1b) Have the devcpu-data port operate in one of two modes: either the > port selects the update for the current machine, as I outlined in my > original mail, or it concatenates all of the updates as in 1a) and > the kernel selects the correct update. This way we'd only > waste memory if the disk image is to be shared among multiple > machines. I'm not sure what the mechanism should be for selecting > the mode. > > 2) Install all updates to a directory under /boot and add code to the > loader to perform the selection, and pass only the required microcode > file to the kernel. This seems straightforward to me, though I'm not > yet sure exactly where in the loader this logic should go. What is the problem with having the microcode blob unmatched ? The result would be only lack of the update for the CPU. If user cares about having the updated microcode, he would run the required command anew. Or you might add an automatic run of such command on shutdown.