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Date:      Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:05:14 -0500
From:      GH <grasshacker@over-yonder.net>
To:        "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@futuresouth.com>
Cc:        Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Userbase of -current
Message-ID:  <20010804190514.I48649@over-yonder.net>
In-Reply-To: <20010719103042.E3398@futuresouth.com>; from fullermd@futuresouth.com on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:30:42AM -0500
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:30:42AM -0500, some SMTP stream spewed forth: 
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 09:34:41PM -0400, a little birdie told me
> that Garance A Drosihn remarked
> > At 11:18 PM -0700 7/17/01, Peter Wemm wrote:
> > >If I had to guess, I'd put the total [genuine] -current userbase
> > >at between 20 and 50 people.  And many of those intentionally lag
> > >by a few weeks to a month or two.

I have a strong feeling that the -CURRENT userbase is quite a bit larger
than that, but I have nothing conclusive.

> > At the kernel-confab at usenix, I heard some people talking about
> > how "current wasn't really as bad as people assume it is".  I must
> > admit I wonder how much current is actively used.  I know I try
> > to build a new up-to-date current every two or three weeks, but I
> > don't do much more on it than test a few changes.  I am certainly
> > not "stress-testing" it.  Almost all of my real day-to-day work is
> > done on machines which are tracking -stable.
> 
> FWIW, without extraordinary reason, I don't run 'production' machines on
> -CURRENT (I think the last time I did so was when I ran a news server on
> 3.0-CURRENT).  However, my workstation runs -CURRENT, and my dialup router
> does as well (mainly to make it easier to update), my laptop...  come to
> think of it, almost all my of personal machines run -CURRENT, except for
> one that runs 2.1-STABLE (386SX.  4 MB RAM.  80 meg disk.  Last benchmark:
> 13 days for a buildworld.  Don't think I'll update it any time soon).

I'll second this.
I do all of my daily work on -CURRENT workstations, and I have had no
siginificant problems since I started nearly two years ago.
Of course, there is always the slim chance of some rogue (ah hem,
un-thoroughly-tested) commit destroying something, but I have faith in
the developer community.

All my personal boxen (three, at the moment) run -CURRENT.

I don't know if I would call my general use "stress testing", but 
touch a large portion of the functionality on a daily (sometimes the days
merge...) basis.

> -- 
> Matthew Fuller     (MF4839)     |    fullermd@over-yonder.net
> Unix Systems Administrator      |    fullermd@futuresouth.com

Daniel M. Kurry
-- 
What, no one sings along with Ricky Martin anymore?
My kid sister does (but then, she prefers pico to vi ...)
    -- Suresh Ramasubramanian, alt.sysadmin.recovery


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