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Date:      Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:50:50 -0700
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        "Victor R. Cardona" <vcardona@home.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Stallman stalls again
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In-Reply-To: <20010306224918.A25247@marx.marvic.chum>
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[Continuing this discussion after several days of "heads-down"
 coding....]

At 09:49 PM 3/6/2001, Victor R. Cardona wrote:

>I think you need to do a little more research on Richard Stallman. He
>does not mind if anyone profits from creative work including software.

Not true. In "The GNU Manifesto," Stallman wrote:

  "What the facts show is that people will program for reasons other 
   than riches; but if given a chance to make a lot of money as well, 
   they will come to expect and demand it. Low-paying organizations 
   do poorly in competition with high-paying ones, but they do not 
   have to do badly if the high-paying ones are banned."

Which is what Stallman advocates: banning commercial software and commercial 
software companies. The stated purpose of the GPL is to destroy all programming 
jobs which pay better than what is earned by a starving graduate student or 
researcher.

Levy explains the roots of this vendetta in his book "Hackers." Incensed at 
the fact that some of his colleagues were leaving the MIT AI Lab to bring 
the technology developed by its government-funded research to market, he 
vowed to sabotage their efforts and those of all others like them. What's
scary is that so many programmers -- perhaps because they are not savvy 
about politics, economics, or propaganda -- have been deceived by his 
efforts and have been successfully recruited in a war against themselves.

>I think Levy was much more sympathetic towards Stallman. I don't think
>he protrayed Stallman as a vengeful person. Rather, Levy, seemed wistful
>when writing about Stallman.

Levy did see and portray Stallman as a pathetic figure. At the same time,
he also noted that Stallman was extremely vengeful. Levy wrote:

  "This was RMS's opportunity for revenge.... Stallman had no illusions
   that his act would significantly improve the world at large. He had 
   come to accept that the domain around the AI Lab had been permanently  
   polluted. He was out to cause as much damage to the culprit as he could."

--Brett Glass



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