From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 29 10:56:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B254B25 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F279A2BA4 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r7TApe7T037020; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:51:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:51:40 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Kimmo Paasiala Subject: Re: Why are cardbus drivers cbb(4) and pccard(4) still included in GENERIC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130829202523.A85171@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:56:25 -0000 On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:15:17 +0300, Kimmo Paasiala wrote: > To: FreeBSD current , > "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Just to -stable, as the OP in that forum post's thread was well advised. > In reference to this FreeBSD forums post: > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=231135&postcount=4 > > Would it be a good time to remove those from GENERIC since the > hardware they are for is becoming so seriously outdated? > > There's always an option to load those drivers as modules if needed. Hardware isn't 'outdated' because you don't use it; FreeBSD has always been thankfully pretty conservative on the planned obsolescence front. If there's a problem with cbb or pccard in a GENERIC kernel that's using neither that disturbs mfi(4), then shouldn't it be identified and fixed, rather than dropping devices from GENERIC to workaround the problem? There's next to no information in that thread to identify the issue/s. cheers, Ian