From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Apr 20 04:07:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BF0B15EAD for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C4F10B9; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2DF1475; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:07:11 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: dan_partelly Cc: Warner Losh , Matthew Grooms , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160420040711.GL1554@FreeBSD.org> References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AEwMo+oSrT/VEsTd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT amd64 X-SCUD-Definition: Sudden Completely Unexpected Dataloss X-SULE-Definition: Sudden Unexpected Learning Event X-PEKBAC-Definition: Problem Exists, Keyboard Between Admin/Computer User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 04:07:12 -0000 --AEwMo+oSrT/VEsTd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 06:59:38AM +0300, dan_partelly wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn=E2=80=99t one where prog= ress is > > made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which grinds people > into > > dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You might call it a > > discussion, but it reads to me more as a bunch of angry villagers > storming > > the castle. No good can come from that. Tone down the outrage by a > factor > > of 100 and try to have the conversation again. > >=20 >=20 > I'm frankly perplexed by this statement. Its seldom I perceived so much= =20 > sorrow and bitterness in 6 lines. There is no castle Warner, unless you > want one to exist, one where you can isolate yourself from the indentured= =20 > peasants and anything they say. Beyond your thick walls you'll be well > served, > every idea outside your wals will be toned down by a factor of 100 by the > time > it reaches the lord, becoming total agreement with anything the lord > thinks.=20 >=20 > I cant believe I wrote this shit. But then again, I cant believe you just > wrote > what you did. >=20 And it's responses like this that are severely demotivating. Glen --AEwMo+oSrT/VEsTd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXFwBvAAoJEAMUWKVHj+KTJwoP/Aikt22UaBsSJOEOnrJNnJEj zMANtO31sYF+z8X5iDuXd1UVczj4v4a0+IbYaTNse7R5oPA8oE3bNCan+4zS7rLS 8w5IOdUrFNP7pm0zotv5HpgTSmz+2m0jNtCYCurSmm2qNiCuifiF5UP3R6cbtt15 vHeCxwzPZdlXe9gGqb6V/c3tiv/VxFljDJiDge29FxGoOb7Qbte6sEyY76xxq8V2 i3xGd7ttF7lZ/1o4QD5Ys6liEJQ2svPqNVyBWF8a3pmKYKAJPhOXzti/KQifVPPk d5hIXr7uXkDnZ4zPaYmGt/bGfXDwi8yFVWPoLu0BOV0IZqiHP7U0D97JhOoOleLj CnIPZribbzmk8lwwqQ+uQ29VfjDAw6CfyHBwbmzsp/XyT2ef53oOC0te8Ua8gzUY 4tvrDK1SeJXlfQojlp8NIaMz/z7xF5jWcPSjKxhnWcNDQp/yPTws3NAB8+jmlIPF pdv5uHsChaMWyp2elY2jetY2b4E0TRzC9GtuAYSbyph+dFhwXsJ04x95fowSBUUk sg8Wlvc6bA0GbObktXM93zc5totx4H9jVpggKBvyUBkCez444BEKaBMBjcM2AnLt BkPKEiVE1Za8cwhrXLVUFts6CNbNX8++2MfrbFJcjSoJq4I5Mk44gjdLenjuIOZE nC02HduaXZGR364Jtl/c =4ipB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AEwMo+oSrT/VEsTd--